From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #37 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 21 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 037 In this issue: eskrima: FMA "more violent?" eskrima: Re: Filipino Names eskrima: Hit Hard or Block - Advice from an Older and Possibly Wise Student eskrima: FMA morality eskrima: Re: Anna and the King eskrima: Video Rental eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #36 eskrima: FMA code eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #35 eskrima: Filipino Martial Art Code of Conduct/Morality eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #36 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TGAce@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:51:14 EST Subject: eskrima: FMA "more violent?" I dont know if I believe all this FMA is more violent, combat oriented, effective, etc. stuff. Bustin someone up is bustin someone up regardless of the "style" your using. Theres some TKD/Karate guys I know who could kick the butts of many FMA artists I know and vice versa. Its the mindset of the practicioner more than the art. I havent been hurt or hurt anybody else more since I started FMA than I did when I was studying Kenpo. I like FFMA because of its "one technique fits most" approach. IIts utilitarian, no-frills, take it and go teaching methods and the fact that you get to use weapons from the get-go. As for the thread saying we should be able to fight out our differences, weve become overcivilized, men are programmed to fight and we are working against nature stuff...were also "programmed" to mate with every attractive female we see too, but I dont think my wife would buy that one. If someone saying "you cant fight your way out of a paper bag" makes you want to prove it, than theres something wrong with your medulla oblangata. Its been my experience that most loud mouths who offer challanges know that the chances of the other taking it up are slim. This than allows them to say "look hes a whimp who wont put up or shut up." and he feels like a tough guy. (some people on this list do it repeatedly) And when they do, he but bends over backwards to apoligize for the "misunderstanding". Fighting over words is ego and insecurity plain and simple. Tom Gerace ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:41:10 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Filipino Names sorry a bit off topic, but i just wanted to share: in Newfoundland you can visit Joe Batt's Arm, Heart's Content, Tickle Harbour, Ha Ha Bay, Come-By-Chance, Snake's Bight, Blow-me-down, Famish Gut, Too Good Arm, Sitdown Pond, Goblin, False Cape, Mistaken Point, and the perennial favorite of jokers everywhere, Dildo. i'm serious! :)jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:53:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Hit Hard or Block - Advice from an Older and Possibly Wise Student On the recent thread on ED about which is better, the ability to hit hard and fast with power or the ability to deflect/block, my answer is none. Both are limited and do not last. The ability to hit hard and fast or block will always be limited by one's body weight and age. Does a 10 year old hit as hard as a 20 year old? Will a 20 year old hit as hard and fast when he is a 60 year old? Will a 20 year old, 170 lbs. hit as hard as a 20 year old, 250 lbs. or will the lighter 20 year old have any effect on the heavier 20 year old block if they both have the same speed? The answer to all these questions is NO. For my size, weight and age, I consider my speed above average and my abilty to hit hard (by utilizing my body weight - something I've learned from my karate days) is also good. However, with what I know now, if I could go back 23 years when I started learning FMA I would have concentrated on the attribute of Timing and the art of Evasion. If one could master these two there would be no time or age limit on one's ability to be effective. For example, let's take Jason Inay's daughter and the bubbles (I hope Jason Inay does not mind). Right now she is over 20 months old and learning eye-foot-hand coordination. Great idea and I wished I had done that with my children but it's too late for me. When his daugher grows up will she have the same speed as a male counterpart? Maybe. Will she have the same power? Probably not. Now, when she is ready, Jason puts a stick in her hand and shows and instructs her to hit the bubbles with the stick without being hit by the bubbles. What will happen? She will begin to develop the skills of timing and evasion while developing her footwork skills. If she continues with this type of training, 18 years from now I will put my money on her to defeat any opponent no matter how hard he hits or block. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:41:41 -0330 Subject: eskrima: FMA morality Perhaps the reason the masters are "kind & gentle" now is because they have seen the reality of warfare/combat, and have learned the lessons necessary to a) keep themselves alive and b) make it worth being alive. FMA is appealing to a certain side of human nature because of its effectiveness in doing what has to be done. It also, if you are the sort of person who has a basically good character/sense of honor, appeals to the "warrior within". A jerk who just wants to flex his/her muscles is a jerk, with or without FMA or any other martial training. I think the morality comes from within...it may be influenced by the guro/sifu/sensei/school/style, but the basic hardwire is already there. If you grow up in a context where armed strife is a daily fact of life, you may be honorable, moral etc, but in order to survive you have to do things that in another context you would never consider. If they are now "kinder & gentler", it is because they _can be_, now. Those of us who were lucky enough to not be faced with that at an early age should appreciate and learn what we can from the example of those who, through necessity did experience these things. i don't know if i'm making sense.... just some thoughts :)jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Jon Hon" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:03:16 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Anna and the King > In a message dated 1/20/00 10:19:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, > eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << www.thaiboxing.com >> > Has anyone seen the the movie Anna and the King ? I noticed some Thai boxng > and Kribi Krabong in the preview I thnk. Does anyone know who choreographed > the senes relating to such? > Barry Hello I didn't see the Thai Boxing, though I was looking carefully for it throughout. The Krabi Krabong was during the execution scene I think. Though I haven't actually ever witnessed Krabi Krabon in action, the executioners' movements bore an uncanny resemblance to my Muay Thai instructor when performing our Ram Muay (it has a stabbing with swords bit in it). That's why I think it's Krabi Krabong. Also, could someone give me some advertising ideas for my Eskrima club? I'm supposed to be getting us some more publicity. Jon ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:23:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Video Rental Sid, Thanks for bringing that up, I would be very interested in getting the Number. Could you post it? Thank you. Barry ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:38:46 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #36 In a message dated 1/21/00 9:47:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Any ignorant 400 pound redneck with a 2x4 in his hands can beat the crap out of a man who inspires his wrath. >> Whoo 400 pounds! Why does he need a 2x4? Besides it aint the 400 pound John Matua type that inspires my training,its the pissed off Tank Abbot with an attitude that makes me dig a little deeper and sweat a little more. barry ------------------------------ From: Tom Skoglind Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:52:11 -0600 Subject: eskrima: FMA code In Inayan Eskrima, there is a Code of Conduct that is part of the curriculum. An understanding and adherence to this code is not only expected, but required if the student hopes to advance in the system. At many of his seminars, Suro Inay has brought in a Dr. of Psychology who is also a martial artist with some very real, first hand experience as a guest lecturer. He speaks on topics such as honor, loyalty, morality, psychology of combat, etc. IMHO, the goal of Inayan is not just to produce fighters, but warriors - individuals with fighting skills, who live by a strict code of ethics. The result is not just formidable fighters, but people who are formidable in all parts of their life - business, intellectual, etc. It also results in a tight-knight brotherhood of warriors with a mutual air of respect for their kindred who live by the same code. I highly respect all Inayan Guros, even those I have never met, because I know what type of person and what type of fighter they must be to hold that position. Regards, Tom ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:53:41 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #35 In a message dated 1/20/00 3:49:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The problem is only sometimes the tool. Usually, the problem is a person's application of a tool at a specific point in time. >> I grant you that is a major contributing factor. Let's say at least 60% if not more. However, to what degree does trying to fight TKD in a Wing Chun fight (enviornment) factor into it? More specifically, what degree does the limits of his training's emphasis contribute to what he was doing? This is a weird and subtle point that is hard to describe clearly so bear with me as I fumble. He was trained to do something that works under certain circumstances. However, the guy he was fighting, came in just slightly off from that, but enough so that he won. (this can also include Alain's comment that he just ran up against a better fighter). He went in with an emphasis in his training that was tailored for a specific kind of attack/opponent/situation. Now whether that emphasis comes from the style itself of his training regeim is debatable. A prime example is training hard to be a linear fighter and then encountering someone who trained equally hard to get off line. I have seen a lot of kick boxers train and train to soak up blows that would leave me limping for a week. They will stand nose to nose and exchange leg kicks with each other for the entire bout. (don't tell me about the exceptions folks...watch ESPN or what happens at tourneys and matches). Yet against some tacky person who moves off line and counter punches they get torn up. I have seen guys that just couldn't adjust out of that mindset. Now the question is, it is the style that promotes that or is it the training? Or have the two become insepreable? And folks, in advance, please don't hit me with a barrage of "shoulds." A good martial artist should be able to adapt, etc, etc. I am talking about the average bear, not the ideal. I am also coming from the standpoint of "How we are trained is how we will react under stress" When you are getting your face punched in, you will tend to fall back to what you were taught to do, even if it isn't working under these circumstance. ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G. Rutano" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:17:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Filipino Martial Art Code of Conduct/Morality In all my years in Filipino martial arts, studying with various instructors, I have yet to see an instructor who does not impart to his student the virtue of respect towards another human being. All of my instructors emphasized to me that I should avoid a fight if I can, and that human life is precious, and I don't have the right to take it away unless my life or my family's life is on the line. In the sixties you even have to prove yourself to your instructor before they take you as his student. You must be recommended by someone he knows before he accept you. Also, you will not be taught knife or blade fighting right away. The loss of morality or conduct in FMA happens because there has been a big change in the objectives or goals on why we need to learn the art. Traditionally the goal is for the protection of your village, country, loved ones, the weak and yourself. Now, the goal is to get those almighty dollars. I never paid a single cent to any of my instructors, except of course for gifts on Christmas and birthdays. The seminar circuit to my opinion has also eroded the code of conduct of practitioners. Nobody will pay and attend a seminar conducted by a martial art instructor if the subject is about code of conduct and morality. Everybody wants to learn new techniques on how to maim and kill somebody. Also, most (not all) instructors now in the FMA, got their instructor credential by attending and/or hosting a seminar. There are even instructors who will give you instructor ranking in one weekend for a good price. There are at least 4 people in my area that got their credentials these way, and are bad representative of FMA. How can you impart discipline, respect and all those other virtues to the student if you only see them once a year? This can happen to any art if we are not careful. Dan Rutano Canadian Kali Association ------------------------------ From: MBarclay7@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:38:18 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #36 << "thats why harimau players dont worry about punches, they just arent in line with any "boxing" weapons steve reiter" >> Sorry, but as a Harimau Pencak Silat practitioner, I know for a fact that we certainly do worry about punches, we can fight from the floor if we need to (which is where a sempok or depok would put us) but this can be a significant disadvantage due to the threat of a swift kick in the teeth. Use it when you have to, don't when you don't. Matt ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:51:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #37 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Standard disclaimers apply.