From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #41 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 24 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 041 In this issue: eskrima: Burt's Comments on Straightblastgym.com eskrima: Re FMA and morals eskrima: any FMA / JKD in Buffalo ? eskrima: Recommendations on FMA in Chicago? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #40 eskrima: Seminar training eskrima: Blade Seminar Announcement eskrima: A&E Natzi fest eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #40 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #38 Re: eskrima: Seminar training [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tcsno Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:49:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Burt's Comments on Straightblastgym.com Burt Richardson made an interesting comment in Matt Thornton's page. He said roughly,,....He practiced hubud for 12 years, never was able to apply it, and never saw anyone apply it(I guess that means Inosanto, Illustrisimo, and Gaje, also) or use it in a fight. Gee, I see Carlos Machado use it from the guard (he called it a block from Chinese MA) in Dog Bros. video's, and I see Larry Hartsell use it as part of his boxing matrix in his first video. Hmmmm, I guess Hi-Performance Martial Arts doesn't view the above gentlemen's fighting experiences as real or valid. Same page, Thornton says that Sumbrada, etc, will never be effective training methods. Comments anyone???? www.straightblastgym.com tcsno@mciworld.com ------------------------------ From: Phil Martino Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re FMA and morals Hi all, Just read through the posts on FMA and morals and saw many a valid point. I preface my remarks by indicating that I no very little of the various GMs and their philosophies and therefore can not make statements about any or all. That said, in regards to that which I am familiar with: my beliefs. The question of morality is an individual decision and hopefully should varry widely with in a society. Diversity is the slice of life. Henseforth, the decision lies with the practitioner whether he chooses a particular discipline, mentor, teacher, philosophy or code. I believe it was Dr. Maung Gyi who said that martial arts can bedivided into three categories: Spiritual, Sport and Martial. Balance can befound within all three. The question of the spiritual aspects seems to be at the heart of the discussions on the digest so far. To each his own. I like to believe that the freedoms I hold dear are based on the ability to pick and choose as one sees fit. Some will choose "evil" while others will choose "honor". In the end, both always seem to balance out. Since it is all about choice; what choices do we have. As adults we have the choice to choose a particular discipline, school, philosophy or teacher. As parents we have the choice to make similiar choices for our kids. As a teacher you have the choice as to who you teach and in what manner you do so. If the parents and students don't like it... there's the door. For example, if you check out a school and don't like the pholosophies and applications of an art you would be a fool to study there and a bigger fool to let your kids study there. If you don't like the type of person a particular martial artists is your a fool for associating with them. Equally so, if your students are missussing whatr you teach them or their parents are a bad influence on the skills you impart to a student you should dismiss both. If your student's are out picking fights, getting in brawls or becomming bullies its time for them to find a new school. Well unless you condone that type of activity? It's all about choices and who has that balls to stick up for what they believe. On violence and the martial arts.... we train at the levels we see fit for ourselves. I train at a level of intensity and risk of harm that is comfortable with me. That's my choice. I commend the Dog Brothers on their style of lets show up, no lawyers, no litigation... lets let it hang out within the rules provided. I don't go to that level myself.. but hey that's my choice.. my comfort zone. The world of the Dog Brothers, full contact sparring, SCA, WEKAF and etcetra are all examples of Sport. Some more dangerous than others, but sport none the less. If we enter the martial category and discuss the streets.... that's life and the only rule is survival. I recall an analogy from G. Gordon Liddy at a speaking engagement some years ago (at least 15 years, man am I getting old) and he said that life is often like a bad ass alley in Detroit after midnight. Imaginine an old lady with a pocket book making her way down that alley from point a to point b. Now imagaine a six foot five, 300 pound, lean, mean, former linebacker and marine armed with a semi automatic and a kaybar making his way down that same alley. Which would you prefer to be? Like many of us; I'm no angel. In my younger adrenalin and testosterone filled days of "testicular fortitude" I was quick to butt heads with the other bucks over pride, silliness, alcohol and women. I don't do that any more because of a new outlook on life, mellowness and the lack of tequila in my system. As weird as it sounds, I don't respect those that litigate after they lose a fight they went into voluntarily. As a former bouncer, I believe that you shpould let the two bucks fight, throw out the loser, and make both pay the damages. But that's a street fight and not an issue of self defense. We only pleade self defense when getting arrested or sued. In the true case of self defense; our families, friends are ourselves. These are the hardest choices of them all. To what degree will we go? How much is merely testosterone, adrenalin, and anger? Luckily for us the laws of our towns and states have suggested levels of retaliation. *lol* Well... whether we agree with themn or not. Regardless, these are all choices we have to make. As my father says, (man he just keeps getting more brilliant with every year and I only seem to be getting dumber) "What ever you do, you still have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror every morning. Remember, there are consequences to every thing you do." On that note.... Good Training and Good Hunting, Phil "Rhino Style" "Cattle die, Kinsman die, Every man is mortal. I know one thing that never dies, the reputation of each dead man." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "TOM MACALUSO" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:41:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: any FMA / JKD in Buffalo ? Hi I just moved to buffalo NY from NYC are there are FMA and / JKD people in the area ------------------------------ From: Old8Palms@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:48:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Recommendations on FMA in Chicago? Hi folks, I joined the list a month or so ago to lurk and hopefully learn a thing or three (I don't have any experience with FMA). I am going to be up in the Chicago area for about 3 months this summer for a naval rating school and thought I might try to broaden my experience a bit. Are there any "Must-see" schools/teachers of Philipino martial arts in the Windy City? What would interest me in visiting most are traditional, high-quality programs, preferably with an excellent reputation within the FMA community (assuming such exist in the upper Midwest) . On another note, when I go around looking at the instructors mentioned on the List's site at www.martialartsresource.com what sort of thing should I being careful to watch for in visiting classes? Are there any dead giveaway practices that I should look for to tell if an instructor lacks martial authenticity? What sort of repetitive drills have the list members found most crucial for proper development in the first half year to 2 years? (BTW I have read the escrima FAQ . I am holding off on the book/video thing till I have a chance to see some of the Filipino stuff in person..keeping an empty cup and all:) regards, brian ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:54:01 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #40 A Howl etc: | > I am also coming from the standpoint of "How we are trained is how we will | > react under stress" | Agreed as the saying goes "How you pratice is how you play". | | Which from time to time is why I get disappointed in training when the attack | does not come with intent! Particularly when some rather clack sticks than | let go a meaningful strike - on a tangent any sage advice out there on | getting someone over this? | | Regards, | Travis Hit him. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:21:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Seminar training Dan Wrote: > credential by attending and/or hosting a seminar. There are even instructors > who will give you instructor ranking in one weekend for a good price. There > are at least 4 people in my area that got their credentials these way, and > are bad representative of FMA. How can you impart discipline, respect and > all those other virtues to the student if you only see them once a year? > > Dan I think you are right here. Except that seminars are a double edged sword. Guys like Remy Presas, and Danny Inosanto, who make a large source of their income from seminars, unfortunately can sometimes attract the wrong, people who just want to say they are students of or train with these two world class/known martial artist. But at the same time if these two ( who I use because I don't think anyone would argue are the biggest Fma names) guys hadn't used the seminar platform to promote the Fma, than we probably would not be posting on this digest today. Also a big part of the double edged sword is the previously trained martial artist that go to a weekend seminar with no other fma instruction and accepts a black belt from the person teaching. The student ( being previously trained) knows weather or not they deserve what they got. I am a person who because of my association with some hard core traditionalist, in the past always found myself in an awkward position because of my involvement in Modern Arnis, Many of the PT guys I use to meet years ago would just roll there eyes at me when I said I did modern arnis like it was a bad thing. This in turn would cause problems between Remy and I. I think it was a combination of my friendship with Miguel Balboa, Dominick Ballarta, and some of Erwin Ballarta's former students ( all PT guys ) that caused Remy to teach me almost completely different than he taught most others i.e.. Moncol/Maranga's Balintawak, Palis Palis ( the art not just a few techs. for which it is commonly mistaken for )., This and my constant nagging at him when he would stay at my parents house when he wanted to lay low and not be found by anyone. I use to blame Remy for a lot of things that went on with his seminar people, but now I see that there are a lot of variables in what he does. First he teaches the Filipino art of self defense, he doesn't claim to make you an Eskrimador. Secondly its SOME of these seminar students that receive rank that misrepresent the art themselves, thinking they are Eskrimadors, when they are just self defense people. I think that the seminars are kind of a necessary evil, partially because it is part of what I do :-), and has taken me all over the world, so I can't complain there. But I think what I said about the morality thing applies here too. As an instructor that gives seminars you need to try and police your own to the best of your ability. Just my thoughts Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Steven Lefebvre" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 03:05:35 PST Subject: eskrima: Blade Seminar Announcement Seminar Announcement On Saturday February 26th, from 10:00am - 2:30pm, The Bujinkan Dojo of Manchester will be hosting Master Tom Sotis, in an intensive seminar covering AMOK! Tribal Art of the Blade. We will be covering basic to intermediate drills, along with principles and philosophies of blade fighting. Master Sotis has trained many individuals, and organizations, in the reality of the blade. Including members of the Secret Service, Boston Police Academy, US Special Forces, South African Law Enforcement agencies, Russian Spetsnaz, and the Bashkiri State Bodyguarding training academy. Location: Bujinkan Dojo 250 Commercial Street Manchester, NH, 03101 Date & Time: February 26th , 10:00 am - 2:30(There will be a ½ hour break for lunch) Cost: $60.00 non IBFG members, $55.00 IBFG members(Checks must be payable to Steven Lefebvre) $70.00 cash only at the door Please bring a solid training knife (wooden or aluminum), comfortable attire and training shoes. No Video Taping is allowed! For additional information please call (603) 668 – 3181 Visit our website @ www.Bujinkandojo.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:30:17 -0000 Subject: eskrima: A&E Natzi fest I've had my run ins with the Ayrian brotherhood brigade before, quite a few actually and some have been full scale gang riot. What you learn is that they are very good at making the noise inside their ghetto but are very quiet outside of it. For the wider Eupopean angle Fuhrer-ex by ?Hassels....? is a great book that tells you of certain US and worldwide investment behind these little cells. They are merely the distraction as Hess' brownshirts were in the 30's. it's the quiet wealthy people who you never hear iof that need to be aware of. Your point is correct though that you are likely just to train to meet the loudmouths in front of the camera. From: Rocky Pasiwk > I was up late last night and was fliping thru the channels and came across the A&E channel. They had a program about the modern day Neo Nazi thrash and how they evolved from the old nazi scum. snip we need to be training ....training .....training..... ------------------------------ From: "Marc Halleck" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:09:56 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #40 Pete Hetrick teaches out of Beloit Wisconsin, he is certified by Guro Dan and Larry Hartsell, He is awesome and a really nice guy. i dont know how far it is from you though. ------------------------------ From: Drew Zimba Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 06:59:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #38 >Some of the most dangerous people in the world are >those who are unconscious of their own darkness, their >shadow in Jungian terms, and thus concomitantly >project it upon others and then work themselves up >into a righteous indignant fury out of which they >aggress, often violently. >most of us can think of >examples in history (e.g. Marxist-Leninism) and on the >current political scene (e.g. American liberalism in >the last 30 years). Or American ultra-conservatism (e.g. Newt espousing family values while he serves his cancer-stricken wife divorce papers as she is on her deathbed). The political forum seems to be a magnet for the rightously indignant. The ones who are ignorant of their reasons for seeking power MAY be enlightened, it's the ones who know exactly why they are where they are that are REALLY dangerous! Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 7:51:38 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Seminar training > train with these two world class/known martial artist. But at the same > time if these two ( who I use because I don't think anyone would argue > are the biggest Fma names) guys hadn't used the seminar platform to > promote the Fma, than we probably would not be posting on this digest > today. Well, I don't know. I suspect this digest would be here w/o Danny or Remy. They didn't influence Dizon, or Cabales, or Inay, or me,,, -or- the Canetes, or... At least I would probably still be here, maybe not so many others.?. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:50:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #41 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Standard disclaimers apply.