From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #44 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 25 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 044 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #42 eskrima: Re: Burton Richardson's comments eskrima: arnis book eskrima: Chicago Visit/Possible private lesson eskrima: Kendo, Iaido, Fencing Demo: Afterglow eskrima: Donna asked about... eskrima: important, but not gods eskrima: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia seminars eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #43 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #41 eskrima: Eskrima: Absorb what is useful eskrima: random, seriatim [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel G. Rutano" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:31:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #42 Ray wrote: >No doubt about it! All I'm saying is that there are many that were >influential. Many also that influenced Remy and Dan. Most martial artists >probably only know of Dan from his close relationship with Bruce Lee and JKD, >but yes many know he is much more than that. Also, once we get outside of >the US, I suspect their influence is reduced significantly. You are right Ray. I wonder, if Dan Inosanto was not involved with Bruce Lee, would he have the same influence in the FMA? What I mean is, if Dan Inosanto only trained and promoted FMA, would people actually listen to him? Just a thought. Dan Rutano Canadian Kali Association - - ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Bikendova" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 02:52:59 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Burton Richardson's comments "From: tcsno Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:49:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Burt's Comments on Straightblastgym.com Burt Richardson made an interesting comment in Matt Thornton's page. He said roughly,,....He practiced hubud for 12 years, never was able to apply it, and never saw anyone apply it(I guess that means Inosanto, Illustrisimo, and Gaje, also) or use it in a fight." Yes, I guess that is what it means. Have you seen Inosanto, Illustrisimo, or Gaje use it a real fight? I have not. "Gee, I see Carlos Machado use it from the guard (he called it a block from Chinese MA) in Dog Bros. video's, and I see Larry Hartsell use it as part of his boxing matrix in his first video. Hmmmm, I guess Hi-Performance Martial Arts doesn't view the above gentlemen's fighting experiences as real or valid." You may be arguing against yourself here. Burt never said he hadn't seen it work in a video--in fact his videos have some of the best hubud footage ever--what he said, and you quoted him, was in a real fight. Jerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "William T. Anderson" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:25:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: arnis book Dave Fulton wrote: A friend of mine is looking for an old book. It's name is "Karunungan sa Larong Arnis", and was written by someone by the name of "Cruz". It is supposedly the first book ever published on arnis. This book was due to be republished by Tuttle Press last fall, and it was to be released iin October 99. But from what I have heard, the publishing date was missed as relayed to me by amazon.com Bill ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:34:09 EST Subject: eskrima: Chicago Visit/Possible private lesson Hello Everyone, Talking about Chicago, I will be on Chicago Competing in the First World Ice Carving Competition in Chicago. I will be staying in Intercontinental Hotel, if anyone interested to trained at night e-mail me and if possible, I will give private lesson in Garimot Arnis and Harimaw Buno (Filipino Wrestling)... I will be there from Feb. 4, 5, and 6 so if you are in the area come see me on the Ice competing from the World Class Professional Ice Sculpture Competition... Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Father of Garimot Arnis and US Harimaw Buno ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:00:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Kendo, Iaido, Fencing Demo: Afterglow The demonstration of Kendo, Iaido and Fencing at our facility in Waltham, MA went very well. We started with a demonstration of dry foil. I got to show an audience how terribly out-of-touch my skills have grown in this sport (haven't picked up a foil more than a couple times in the past ten years). Some very nice lunges... nice timing... nice distance... and *whoooosh* missed my target by a mile. :) Good thing my opponent hadn't touched a foil in 15 years... And then I stepped aside and let the experts take over with demonstration in electric saber. (No, not the Jedi kind). Then came the Iaido demo. Since we were short in numbers, I was invited by Mr. Poitras (one of the finest martial artists, let alone Iaido instructors, that I have ever met) to join the demo team. I performed the first three kata and then chose to observe from Seiza (kneeling position) while the advance ranks continued through 4-10. I have too much respect for the art to demonstrate katas in which I do not have sufficient practice. Next came the Kendo demo. And the crowd thickened as the growls and yells filled the gym. It was spectacular. Mr. David Harrison is an incredible force. He took on one of his students with his one shinai (bamboo sword) against his student's two shinai. Impressive. The press got their fill of footage, photos and interviews. I am told that there will be an airing on Boston's Channel 7 News sometime this week at 4PM. I will have more specifics tomorrow. The Boston Globe West Weekly will be running a full photo spread in the Sunday Sports section either this Sunday or February 6th. If you live in the area, keep an eye open for it. I had the opportunity to meet some people from these mail lists. I was extremely impressed with everyone's demeanor and presence. Thank you each for attending our event and I hope to see you again soon. And last, but not least, I am very excited to announce that we will be officially offering Kendo as a part of our weekly programs. The starting date will be announced soon. The instructor is a sandan and personal student of Mr. Harrison. We will also be hosting upcoming seminars as well as a Kendo tournament or two. All this because Mr. Harrison loved our spacious wooden floor (the jacuzzi and sauna probably didn't hurt either). As soon as the photos come in from the shoot, we will post them to our website. We will also update the schedule to reflect the new Kendo classes when the day/time is finalized (most likely this week). Thank you all who expressed an interest in this demonstration, even if you couldn't make it to the event. Please keep in touch. Our organization thrives on the exchange of information with others. Respectfully, Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "When I am old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say "Be careful, I think she's armed". - G. Stoddart ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:53:13 PST Subject: eskrima: Donna asked about... Donna asked about FMA instructors in WI. The 'Loki and Mike Special FMA Database' (Hi guyz) has instructors listed in Milwaukee, Madison, Appleton, and West Allis. Any of those close to you? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:51:40 PST Subject: eskrima: important, but not gods > Ray wrote: > >>No doubt about it! All I'm saying is that there are many that were >>influential. Many also that influenced Remy and Dan. Most martial artists >>probably only know of Dan from his close relationship with Bruce Lee and JKD, >>but yes many know he is much more than that. Also, once we get outside of >>the US, I suspect their influence is reduced significantly. > > You are right Ray. I wonder, if Dan Inosanto was not involved with Bruce > Lee, would he have the same influence in the FMA? What I mean is, if Dan > Inosanto only trained and promoted FMA, would people actually listen to him? Possibly not. But lets not be badmouthing DI (not saying that you are). We're all just men (and women for the Roaring Girls :) that put our underwear on one leg at a time. We shouldn't be badmouthing (at least not in this forum) those that go before us, nor should we worship them. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Roan Kalani Grimm" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:24:29 -0700 Subject: eskrima: > Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >From: Old8Palms@aol.com >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:27:43 EST >Subject: eskrima: Re: They have a school for that (what the...??!!!) > >Drew Zimba writes... ><< >I am going to be up in the Chicago area for about 3 > >months this summer for a naval rating school > > curriculum outline: > month 1 -- in-ies > month 2 -- out-ies > month 3 -- lint magnetude > > Huh... navAl? Oh, never mind... >> > With all due respect, what in the world does this comment mean? > Is this a strange in-joke or something? I am extremely confused, would >someone care to explain? > A naval rating school is the navy version of the army's MOS (military >occupational specialty) schools..just a place they send the enlisted people >to learn to do a given job or "rating". Nothing special, just a way to get >college money and job experience, and travel and train of course (of course!!) > > bewildered regards, > brian I think he was trying to make a play on naval and navel, as in bellybutton, that's why the innies, outties, and lint jokes. Peace, respect, and an open mind. Aloha, Roan Kalani Grimm "We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best is he who is trained in the severest school." -- Thucydides ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:54:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia seminars Here is an update on my upcoming seminars: February 20th San Carlos, CA. Pekiti-Tirsia System Overview covering single stick, double stick, espada y daga, empty hand and pocket knife techniques. $60 per person Contact: Mr. Hung Le (650) 594-1015 or email Mike Thompson at: Thom2224@aol.com March 25th Nashua, N.H. Solo Baston Abcedario (144 single stick strikes with knife variations for PTI members). Time: 10 AM to 7PM with a one hour lunch break. $55 for PTI and MacKay martial arts school members, $65 for non-members. Contact: Mr. Don MacKay (603) 889-6181 April 29th and 30th Myrtle Beach, SC Pekiti de Mano (empty hand entries, strikes, takedowns and submissions) Contact: Dr. Chris Ash (843) 497-6467 May 20th & 21st Boston, MA Solo Baston 64 Attacks (two man timing drills for single stick) Contact Mr. Jack Bernard jack.bernard@medisense.com (617) 666-2464 June 3rd Utica, NY Abcedario de Mano (144 empty hand strikes with knife variations for PTI members) Contact: Mr. Chris Fry (315) 724-7479 Plus regular seminars in Fishkill, N.Y. Visit the PTI web site for regular seminar updates at: www.pekiti-tirsia.com Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:59:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #43 In a message dated 1/24/00 7:12:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Someone on the list posted a great quote credited to Bob Orlando...a long = time: "A warrior my choose pacifism, others are condemmed to it." This quote struck the right cord with me and would fit well with a graphic on one side of a shirt. By the way --- it's still posted in my = office. >> Ay-yup, that is Bob. It's from his book Martial Arts America. Before you use it however you have ask permission as it is copyrighted. I don't think it would be a problem as long as there was a credit. You can locate Bob's website through mine ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:55:57 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #41 - ----- Original Message ----- > Burt Richardson made an interesting comment in Matt Thornton's page. He said > roughly,,....He practiced hubud for 12 years, never was able to apply it, > and never saw anyone apply it(I guess > that means Inosanto, Illustrisimo, and Gaje, also) or use it in a fight I think one can take a statement totally out of context and make it say anything you want. Also, using these words Burt's right in fact I'll go farther and say I have never seen Guro I ever apply anything. How about that? He has taught me alot of things. First and foremost is to "not" apply it. Second, how often is a student with a teacher and the teacher has to fight someone? Sounds rediculous to me. Most importantly Burt is right not because hubud is worthless but because hubud is not fighting it is part of a training method which can also be taken out of context and reduced to nothing by those who do not understand it. Hitting one of those tennis balls that comes back to you on a string does not mean you can play tennis. > Dan I think you are right here. Except that seminars are a double edged > sword. Guys like Remy Presas, and Danny Inosanto, who make a large > source of their income from seminars, unfortunately can sometimes > attract the wrong, people who just want to say they are students of or > train with these two world class/known martial artist. Rocko...if you like this you'll really like how your licensed M.D. can go to a weekend seminar on a new technique and you can be the first person he tries it on! The world is caveat emptor baby...and that is the final word on that. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Saturbo@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 02:29:03 EST Subject: eskrima: Eskrima: Absorb what is useful I've been trying to get my hands on Dan Inosanto's book, "Absorb What is Useful." I've tried Barnes & Noble, but they were unable to special order it through the publisher. I've tried Amazon.com also, but they also were unable to come through. My dad has a copy he got from Dan years ago, but just my luck, it's nowhere to be found now. Hopefully, I'm not SOL. If anybody could help me out, I'd much appreciate it. I've been told that it's good reading. Thanks, R. Saturno, Jr ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:00:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: random, seriatim A Howl etc: 1) My thanks to everyone for their tolerance of my occasional strafings on the political front ;-) Before I withdraw from this area for now, I'd like to agree with Drew's point (and I interpret here) that I don't go after Republicans as much as liberal Democrats. True, but how seriously can you take a bunch that turns the serious, genuine legal questions about the Clinton team (using the FBI as a political arm, a substantial conspiracy, and I use the term in its strict legal sense, to accepting money from a hostile foreign power and the suppression of Justice Dept investigations concerning this and related matters, bombing Sudan and Pakistan as a smokescreen from impeachment, etc etc etc etc etc) into a matter of felonious fellatio? Again, thank for you all for your tolerance. 2) Concerning Hubud and Sombrada: Hell, I use Hubud and sombrada all the time!!! Hubud is a "generator" for cultivating responses to what is perhaps the most common angle of attack and techniques I have so cultivated I have used. Its a training method, not a technique!!! One of the things I love best about training at the Inosanto Academy is the sheer joy of rotating with some 15-20 guys who are really good and really varied with Guro I guiding the variables and introducing variables to play with. Of course sombrada can be, and often is, done in a vapid, drone-like manner. So too is sex on the part of many people, but that doesn't have to mean that you do it that way too! One of the biggest problems I see with how many people do sombrada (assuming the skills have been mastered to a certain level) is that they don't enter into it with a spirit of Play and Research and instead escalate. In my experience two kinds of people who do this well are a) people with fighting under their belt and hence are not deluded into thinking that who scores what during sombrada proves much of anything and b) musicians, who understand dancing on top of an underlying beat. Fighting examples? A couple of years ago, Guro I. decided to do something about the class's generally pathetic skills with staff. This began with a period of cultivating staff handling skills, including Krabi Krabong. As this progressed he introduced more fighting ideas. Only when he was felt that there had been sufficient progress did the staff enter into the sombrada training on a regular basis. In each of the last three Gatherings I have fought with four foot staff. This is a weapon that can hit Really Hard. If you want to leave with the IQ with which you came, its a real good idea to not to have to learn from the ground floor up by getting hit-- much better to play with a good, really skilled group and have fun first-- and then after the fight so you can experiment with your ideas for the next time. 3) Concerning Dog Brothers, Dog Brothers Martial Arts and sport: Agreed that our fights are not combat, but that does not mean that we are not training for combat. Of the few groups of people who I would want on my side in genuine trouble, the Dog Brothers are right up there in the first rank. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 05:14:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #44 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Standard disclaimers apply.