From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #50 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 28 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 050 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Estoka Parada eskrima: Thanks, and more questions eskrima: Sjambok eskrima: Sjambok eskrima: Warrior as Healer [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Casto Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:57:23 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Estoka Parada Interesting. I see that what we call "Parada" does technically fall into the classification (i.e.: the stopping of the stick when it hits the floor) ... however, it would seem that my limited perspective led me to believe that this was a "technique" as opposed to a concept. Now this discussion is giving me a broader perspective of the term :-) Regards to all, Mike __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:33:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Thanks, and more questions A Howl etc: > The > information I have is that it was called "Herada Batangueno" "A larga method (30"-32" garrote/alpanghe) born from the province of Batangas. The Hirada from the spanish word "girada" translates to mass conflict. "Batanggenyo" is one who hails from Batangas, hence a style from Batangas created to fight multiple opponents. This style was tested during the De Salcedo conflict and has lineage to Dr. Jose Rizal, an expert in spanish/european fencing. As such he was able to create a method that could possibly counter the bladed methods used by the Spaniards. The defining characteristic of this method is the use of continuous upward slash known as "sarwag". Sige, David Reyes" endquote A thanks to David Reyes for his, as usual, very well informed response to my question about Sam Tendencia and his style and to the person who pointed out that there is an entry in regard to Sam Tendencia in the Wiley book. I think I now see where the Hirada of the name comes from. Girada means "turn" as in "spin". The "g" being pronounced like an "h", leads to "Hirada". It makes sense that a style for mass conflict/multiple opponents would turn/spin a lot. Is this accurate, David? And, what was the De Salcedo conflict and what can you tell us about the testing of HB? Is the sarwag an upward figure 8? Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "John Taylor" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:09:48 GMT Subject: eskrima: Sjambok Ray - a friend of mine had the supreme misfortune of being struck by a sjambok during a protest in South Africa during the apartheid era. He can testify to their effectiveness. The police at that time were using thick plastic sjamboks with a thong on the end to slip over the hand. He informs me many it was also common for sjamboks to have a nail forced through the end, to pierce victims. He actually has the sjambok he was struck with - he got a bit upset, thumped the cop, snatched it, and ran like crazy. John Taylor. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:34:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sjambok >On yesterdays's short 948 mile flight from San Jose to Denver I had a >chance to read list member James Loriega's latest published work, The >Scourge of the Dark Continent; The Martial Use of the African Sjambok. >An excellent and easy read. Once I started I couldn't put it down. > >Loriega states, "The traditional sjambok (pronounced SHAM-bok) is a >semi-rigid flail believed to have originated in the southern part of the >(african) continent. The sjambok is not a whip in the conventional sense >and some specimens resemble a think, flexible rod. The fact that it is >constructed from think-textured hides, as opposed to supple leather, is >the primary characteristic that makes the sjambok so uniquely different >from the sinuous whip." > >I had picked up a sjambok from Cold Steel / Special Projects some time >ago as it looked like an interesting flexible weapon with which to >experiment. I wish I had picked up Loriega's book at the same time as >it would have made the learning the weapon much easier. > >The book goes through the weapon itself, combat methodologies, and ideas >for drills and practice to master the weapon. Yes, this weapon has a >history that cause many to hate it, but then it is only a weapon and >they have no control over the men that use them. The sjambok was frequently >used in the country of South Africa 15/20 years ago for 'riot control'. > Fascinating! Must get the book. I have the 4 ft sjambok which I got Cold Steel to throw in the same parcel with another of my favorite South African weapon - the assegai. My comments are as follows: 1) The thing hurts a surprising amount considering the effort one puts in the strike. 2) I talked to a few boys who dealt with the sjambok injuries in the SA emergency departments. Their comments were that there is a potential for a nasty flesh wound but they did not feel that the weapon had an appreciable "stopping power". On the other hand this was partly a reflection on pain tolerance of an average Zulu warrior rather than inadequacy of the weapon itself. Has anyone used the sjambok in anger? I believe that Mr. J. Keating teaches it. Anyone been to his seminar? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:17:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Warrior as Healer On yesterday's short 948 mile _return_ flight from Denver to San Jose I had the opportunity to read yet another book. The Warrior Healer, A Martial Arts Herbal form Power, Fitness, and Focus, by Thomas Richard Joiner. This book is more of a reference book. One to skim through to see what is in it and then file away for the time you're interested in making or buying a specific herbal remedy to help with any number of things. Joiner makes the point that traditional 'healer' training is missing in much of today's martial arts education. Joiner goes into a little history and then jumps into herbal preparations for: Injury Management (stopping bleeding, massage oils, etc), Training Formulas (hand conditioning, increased stamina, etc), Herbs for Sexual Conservation (you figure it out :), Herbs to assist in meditation, and several appendices with one that cross-indexes Chinese herbal names to scientific names and to English names. Short on reading, but good for those that think they might be interested in making various herbal teas, wines, pills, and oils. Healing Arts Press -1999, ISBN 0-89281-796-8. Lists for $14.95. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:39:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #50 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Standard disclaimers apply.