From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #77 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 14 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 077 In this issue: eskrima: nhb fighting eskrima: Kamagong info eskrima: Eye Surgery eskrima: shooting in (St Valentines day massacre) eskrima: Re: Another Roaring Girl/Sparring sticks eskrima: FW: Inosanto Seminar & Rick Faye's book eskrima: Vals eskrima: Counter [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "*" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:29:47 -0800 Subject: eskrima: nhb fighting i'm a little confused about this statement - i have seen catch holds applied in nhb - especially heel hooks - gokor chivichyan and some of his guy's have competed in nhb fights and have won pancrease championships ect. - gokor is a sambo guy and a belt belt under gene la bell (both of whom i've trained under for a short period of time)- who learnt everything he knows (which is probally more locks or "catchs") then any man alive from the master of catch - lou thez concidered the greatest "hooker" ever was trained by among other ed "the strangle" lewis, who was also gene la bells teacher - as well as karl gotch - was is concidered the 2nd greatest "hooker" of all time - thez was the catch-as-catch can champion - both of these "hookers" went to japan and trained many "professional" wrestlers - a number of pro wrestlers left and started a mixed martial arts orginization - to make a long story short - each went their seperate ways creating shoot wrestling, shoot fighting, pancrease - to name a few - the names are well known in nhb - dan severn, ken shamrock, bart vale , and while satoru sayama isnt know in nhb today, his fighters are - names like egan and enson inoye - and all the guy's who fight the gracies over in japan (i also train with yori nakamora - the heir to the shooto org.) shooto orginizes all vale tudo's in japan - all the afore mentioned orgs. have catch wresting as part of their art. shooto is a combination of jiu jitsu,sambo,catch-as-catch, and muay thai - so both of the arts you mentioned are in there and being used in nhb all the time - as far as bjj goes - well we have seen bjj guys (i train with the machados) domiante alot of sambo players (i assume sambo is the art you refer to as ukrainan) and the brazilians do know leg locks ect. they just were consider bad sportsmanship holds in the past, but no longer - steve ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:29:45 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Kamagong info Info supplied to me: looks like it's east indian ebony according to the woodweb (http://www.woodweb.com/~treetalk/frame.html ) but it seems to be more than one species: Kamagong (Diospyros ebenaster) Kamagong (Diospyros inclusa) Kamagong (Diospyros melanoxylon) Kamagong (Diospyros mindanaensis) Kamagong (Diospyros pyrrhocarpa) Diospyros ebenaster East Indian ebony Diospyros inclusa East Indian ebony Diospyros melanoxylon East Indian ebony Diospyros mindanaensis East Indian ebony Diospyros pyrrhocarpa East Indian ebony did you try searching the internet? yahoo has 44 pages but i did not follow them all! you could start with http://www.windsorplywood.com/worldofwoods/tropical/EastIndianEbony.html and if you go to http://www.psdn.org.ph/nbsap/page8.html it says: In forests, commercial timber species (e.g., dipterocaps, kamagong, narra) as well as non-timber species (e.g., orchids, ferns, rattan, insects, birds, mammals) and animal products (e.g. birds pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: "Eric Primm" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:00:21 CST Subject: eskrima: Eye Surgery I recently had surgery done in my right eye. (I am recovering better than the doc expected.) It has caused the sight in my right eye to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20/400, which means that I can see people but can't read anything unless it is over a half a foot tall. My left eye is still 20/20 though, and the left eye has taken over 80% of the responsibility of sight. The doc said no contact training for a while. But I won't be able to tell that to an attacker if someone decides he wants what little money I have. In the arts that I practice (Inosanto Blend Kali, Traditional Wing Chun) I was taught to get the outside of the attackers arms (Zone away from one side of the attacker's body). That is how I would react in a situation from training. My question is this. In the event of an attack, would it be wiser to put the right eye (reduced visibility) closest to the attacker? This would mean that I would have to rely on sensitivity; the fight would have to take place in corto (short) range or in grappling range. The advantage, however, would be that I would be able to watch for friends coming after me. Or should I distance the eye from my attacker to protect it? It is still very blood shot from the surgery (noticably red). The redness might draw attention from the assailant for a weak spot in my armor. The advantage, of course, is that I have full view of my attacker in case of a weapon being drawn, and the eye would farthest from my attacker. The disadvantage would be if someone else attacked from the right my sense of distance wouldn't allow me to accurately judge, if I picked up the attacker in the first place. I appreciate any of your thoughts on this matter. Thank you, Eric Primm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:23:02 -0000 Subject: eskrima: shooting in (St Valentines day massacre) >From out of that Straight blast (Jik Chung Chuie) there were two comments that have intrigued me: From: "Jerry Bikendova" Your opponent may neither sidestep or raise his hands, but shoot intsead. Most good grapplers are less interested in blocking head shots than they are in simply going under them. Be careful out there. From: "Marc Denny" snip I would say that the principal reason is that at corto range the position of one's arm while doing repetitive abanikos tends to leave one vulnerable to grappling throws and takedowns. Now, first of all I like to roll. Im an Instructor in the Unified Fighting Arts under Marc McFann and also im a student of Rick Young. Two reknown grapplers. So lets just say I know how to shoot. However this has got me thinking here. The fwd pressure of an attack from the JCC would be forcing me backwards that I find it hard to see the shoot, a hip/shoulder throw yes but a shoot while being pushed onto the back foot? Perhaps this can be better explained by someone. If the JCC was being pursued from outside punching range in an attempt to break into the guard then I can see, but with the more fighting attribute of applying the JCC after the guntin has been applied(for example) would not allow the space for a shoot! I was thinking with the abaniko and if it is a vertical high witik motion then yes there is the room. If its not then I suppose you can crash through the fan motion. As Steve Reiter observed you can get knocked out from the abaniko as you can the jab but that is not its purpose. Guro Inosanto made a comment on its cutting ability around the eyes and I see it primarily as a set up myself for the heavier shot. But since its hardly the most powerful shot a condemned man would surely risk the flail and shoot in for greater reward? Comments? Best regards and since its valentines day "I love you all" ; ) Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:35:16 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Another Roaring Girl/Sparring sticks Hi kids! (hey sister, about time you emerged:D to add to Kim's question, can anyone suggest a cheap way to make our own while we're at it? Canadian Tire has all sorts of goodies (and we've got lots of Canadian Tire money;) such as pvc pipe, insulation foam, and of course gaffer tape (duct tape). Would wrapping rattan sticks work, or wooden dowels with lots of padding? we probably won't go *too* hardcore at first, of course... suggestions? :)jocelyne aka Hardcore Girl Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:10:07 -0000 Subject: eskrima: FW: Inosanto Seminar & Rick Faye's book Don't miss this weekend's seminar with martial arts great, Guro Dan Inosanto, at the Minnesota Kali Group!! Dates & Times: Saturday, Feb 19: 12 - 4pm & Sunday, Feb 20: 10 - 2pm Location: Minnesota Kali Group; 328 E. Hennepin Avenue #200; Minneapolis Phone: 612-331-6440 or email: diana@skypoint.com or mnkali@aol.com . Cost: $120 for the weekend or $65 per day. Rick Faye's long awaited first book is now done and we are taking orders!! The book is on the art of Panantukan, Filipino boxing. The books content covers both technique and training methods to help the of martial artist of any level incorporate the awesome body manipulation and boxing combination into your art! There are lots and lots of photos w/ Rick and martial artists from all around the world! Cost: Only $20 (U.S.). To have it sent, please add $3 for shipping & handling. To order: In the United Kingdom: contact Brendon Westwood at bwestwood@easicom.com in Bournemouth, U.K. at the MKG-UK. In the U.S. & anywhere else: email: mnkali@aol.com or call the Minnesota Kali Group at 612-331-6440. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:40:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Vals Happy Valentines Day to all the sweathearts {sic} out there... Ray ------------------------------ From: Steve Grantham Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:58:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Counter There has been a lot of talk about countering the straight blast or Lin Wan Choy in the last few digests, some of which I agree with. The bottom line is that ANY technique can be countered, with the proper timing and the proper body mechanics. What makes the straight blast effective is the timing of the application, as well as the proper energy of application. You have to set up the SB with either HIA (trapping) or with another punch. You can explode over his trapped arms or inside his arms if you end up there. His balance and structure are already compromised before you ever start the actual SB. With this being the case, the counters are much harder to pull off, if not downright impossible. I agree with someone (Doc?) that the opponent shouldn't be send across the room. After 3 or 4 hard shots, which should only take a second or so, he should be crumpling in front of you, since his structure was already destroyed before you started the SB. Steve ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #77 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.