From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #80 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 15 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 080 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Sharky's Machine eskrima: Terry Gibson vids eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #78 eskrima: Re: Sharky's Machine re eskrima: The make up of Lameco eskrima: Missouri FMA/ Silat eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 eskrima: Marital arts (sic), loaded guns... [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meyejam@ix.netcom.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:37:20 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Sharky's Machine eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 15 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 079 From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Sharky's Machine I just caught part of one of my favorite movies " Sharky's Machine ". I the part where Danny I. and the other guy wack the crap out of the drug dealer in the alley is IMHO the best MA beating scene in a movie. Danny was pretty awesome, plays a good bad guy. Does anyone know who the other guy is, is he one of Danny's guys? Another guy I like is the long haired Chinese guy that is always a bad guy, tortured Mel Gibson in Lethal weapon, anyone know his name. Rocky - -------------------------------------------------------------- The Chinese martial artist in Lethal Weapon 4 is Jet Li. If I remember correctly he is one of the Hong Kong Kung Fu practitioners. James Meyer ------------------------------ From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:47:03 EST Subject: eskrima: Terry Gibson vids Anyone have any idea how to order Terry Gibson's Maphilindo Silat videos online? Buddy ------------------------------ From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:49:05 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 In a message dated 2/15/00 5:28:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Another guy I like is the long haired Chinese guy that is always a bad guy, tortured Mel Gibson in Lethal weapon, anyone know his name. >> Might be Al Leong Buddy ------------------------------ From: butch@epix.net Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:08:43 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #78 >From: T2J2M2@cs.com >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:07:05 EST >Subject: eskrima: Knives vs expandable batons. > > I have heard a lot about the utility of carrying a small folding knife for >self-defense, but no one has seemingly discussed carrying an expandable baton >for self-defence.You would have many advantages to carrying a baton. Me: Yes, Why not carry both and use each as necessary (sword & dagger etc..) Butch ------------------------------ From: Marlo Brown Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:13:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Sharky's Machine Our esteemed friend Rocky asks: > I just caught part of one of my favorite movies " Sharky's Machine ". I > the part where Danny I. and the other guy wack the crap out of the drug > dealer in the alley is IMHO the best MA beating scene in a movie. Danny > was pretty awesome, plays a good bad guy. Does anyone know who the other > guy is, is he one of Danny's guys? Another guy I like is the long haired > Chinese guy that is always a bad guy, tortured Mel Gibson in Lethal > weapon, anyone know his name. Seriously, Rocky, I've enjoyed your posts so much that it gives me great pleasure to be able to help you with this answer. According to the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com): Dan Inosanto played "Chin No. 1" in "Sharky's Machine." "Chin No. 2" was played by Weaver Levy. I don't know if he has any connection with Guro Dan, but he'd been on the fringes of Hollywood for a long time. Here's some of his filmography from the IMDB. It's funny that Sharky's Machine seems to have been his last film. I hope he didn't meet an untimely end the way Carl 'Alfalfa' Switzer of the Little Rascals fame did (killed by an acquaintance in Van Nuys over $50 on January 21, 1959). 1.Sharky's Machine (1981) .... Chin No. 2 2.MASH (1970) (uncredited) .... Korean Doctor ... aka M*A*S*H (1970) 3.Wrecking Crew, The (1969) .... Kim 4.Girl Who Knew Too Much, The (1969) .... Wong See 5.Flower Drum Song (1961) (uncredited) .... Policeman ------------------------------ From: John Chow Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:29:57 +1100 Subject: re eskrima: The make up of Lameco Hhhhmmm...... any answer to such questions may pose potentially dangerous political quarrels, but we should be gentlemen and see that the answers are based on individual perception and background. My personal perception:- I can not give percentages, and to me, percentages are irrelevant. From somebody else's perpective, percentages may be relevant because of individual background. I would not bother to go to his curriculum (PG Sulite gave me a full copy in 1993) and pick out what technique is from what style. I work on flavours and emphasis, not quantity of techniques. I first learnt Lameco from PG Sulite in 1986. Lameco in 1986 was closer to De Campos 1-2-3 and Pekiti Tirsia. When I met him again in 1993, he had changed considerably in his flavour. The old techniques are still there (Outwardly), but the flavour was very different. His flavour was Ilustrisimo. I was surprised at the transformation. I questioned him and realised that he had been training quite a bit in Ilustrisimo since the last time I saw him, and has finally integrated Ilustrisimo seamlessly into Lameco so that there is only one system. I have kept in touch with him since and I see that he has been progressively edging towards Ilustrisimo. In his final years, I almost consider that Lameco Eskrima is PG Sulite's implementation of Kali Ilustrisimo, with some Cabalerro and Pekiti Tersia etc. That is one reason why I usually say I am Kali Ilustrisimo man without mentioning Lameco Eskrima (this Digest excepted). (I must mention though that he is careful to quote the source of the techniques he learnt from in his seminars). From my perception, whatever technique he displayed from another style, it seems to have an Ilustrisimo flavour to me. Concerning Kali Ilustrisimo and Cabalerro's De Campo 1-2-3:- PG Sulite said at first, he saw them as 2 very different styles. And being from Cabalerro for a long time, he was not used to Ilustrisimo. But as he trained in it more, he began to love it. And finally, after a time, he understood Ilustrisimo and he realised that, internallly, Ilustrisimo and Cabalerro are very much the same. In other words, he had finally integrated Ilustrisimo. No difference between Ilustrisimo and his old Lameco (to his advanced understanding). That is one reason why I usually say I am Kali Ilustrisimo man without mentioning Lameco Eskrima (this Digest excepted). I tend to agree with him. My other main system is Tai Chi Chuan, and I had integrated Ilustrisimo with Tai Chi Chuan. I do not and can not distinguish between these 2 styles. Sounds conny, but it is true. I would not know which starts where and ends where and when. I can only distinguish and separate the styles by their physical outward techniques and exercises. So, when I teach Tai Chi Chuan, I teach moves which are supposed to be solely Tai Chi, and the same for Ilustrisimo. I hope I do not start any controversy here! John Chow Kali Ilustrisimo and Lameco Eskrima ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:44:58 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Missouri FMA/ Silat Hi, I'll be traveling in Missouri in March and was wondering if anyone had any contacts for FMA (any) or silat. I'll be doing a whirlwind tour thoughout the state (St. Louis, Hannibal, Spingfield, Trenton, Kansas city, maybe some others), so any place is good. My nights will be my own, so I can plan travel around training (a luxury) Also, I have some control over the dates, so if there are specific seminars going on, I would love to find out about those as well. Thanks in advance Andy Breton ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:23:20 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 The reasons I would prefer to use a baton(expandable) rather then a folding knife are many. It is easier to convince a jury in a criminal or civil trail that I did not want to kill the man. No blood no foul type of thing. Less likelihood of bloodshed. Hepatitis C or AIDS is not a fun way to go. Besides, a bunch of pictures with knife wounds and blood does wonders for the prosecution's case. Among the most important reason is the fact that that after you stab someone, you may immediately go into a state of emotional shock. If this happens during the fight, he may counter attack with everything he has left, leaving you in a real pickle. He just may just die on you. A nice case of unintentional homicide, and you with a bloody knife, with nothing left but 2 options; A turn yourself in to the police, and explain what happened honestly, or B compound your major problem by destroying the evidence, fleeing and eluding the police, and moving away. A real pain in the ass if you can't think straight. ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:10:00 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Marital arts (sic), loaded guns... Animal: >Well, guess what, the Marital Arts are the same thing, except that your body >is the loaded gun. Awfully kind of you to say so, even though the rate of fire is not as good as it used to be... Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:39:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #80 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.