From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 081 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #80 eskrima: dumog eskrima: expanding batons eskrima: Thanks eskrima: that guy always in movies... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 [none] eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 rE: eskrima: Terry Gibson vids Re: your mail eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #80 ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Greenawalt" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:11:32 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #80 T2J2M2@cs.com wrote: >The reasons I would prefer to use a baton(expandable) rather then a folding >knife are many. It is easier to convince a jury in a criminal or civil trail >that I did not want to kill the man. No blood no foul type of thing. Less >likelihood of bloodshed. Hepatitis C or AIDS is not a fun way to go. Besides, >a bunch of pictures with knife wounds and blood does wonders for the >prosecution's case. These are good points. Ideally they shouldn't be, as just as with firearm use the idea is to STOP, not KILL. You're right in that the jury may not see things that way. However, the knife may also be a "weapon of convenience". A tool you carry that happened to come in handy for self defense. A baton, being only a weapon, may be played up this way - "see, ladies & gents of the jury, he carried around a WEAPON - essentially a metal pipe used specifically to beat people with - he must have been expecting, perhaps LOOKING FOR an opportunity to use it" - just a possibility. It's been written that when questioned by LEOs about any potential weapon that it be claimed for other use, never that it's carried for self defense. With a baton, you lose that ability right from the get-go. >Among the most important reason is the fact that that after you stab >someone, you may immediately go into a state of emotional shock. If this >happens during the fight, he may counter attack with everything he has left, >leaving you in a real pickle. One should try to know oneself. Someone handy at dressing out game, for example, is likely to have less reaction to this than the average Joe. >He just may just die on you. A nice case of >unintentional homicide, and you with a bloody knife, with nothing left but 2 >options; A turn yourself in to the police, and explain what happened >honestly, or B compound your major problem by destroying the evidence, >fleeing and eluding the police, and moving away. A real pain in the ass if >you can't think straight Yes, but the same goes for the baton, or any other weapon. The likelihood of death from blade vs. baton - I dunno; haven't seen any stats. Gunfire should be highest, yet even THAT is a pretty low percentage. Explaining shouldn't be THAT big a deal - if you carry, you should have a lawyer you've spoken with previously and a rehearsed line that refers to NOT explaining without him present... be safe, jester ------------------------------ From: ACrm666@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:20:55 EST Subject: eskrima: dumog i was wondering if anybody could give me more information regarding "dumog" and maybe point me out to practitioners of that art that are located in the San Francisco Bay area??? or Northern CA for that matter. peace and be well, tony carmona student , filipino martial arts acrm666@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:02:18 PST Subject: eskrima: expanding batons As previously mentioned, remember to check your local and state penal codes wrt expandable batons before carrying or even possessing one. It would appear that CA PC 12020 indicates that mere possession "is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison." Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:48:57 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Thanks Thanks guys, Al Leong, was the name I was looking for, I don't know if he's any good but I dig watching him fight on screen, except he always dies to damn quick. Seems like he should get a flick of his own by know, hell his acting has to be as good as, Van Damn's. Weaver Levy was the other name I was looking for . Thanks again Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Eric Van Skike" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:02:27 PST Subject: eskrima: that guy always in movies... >I just caught part of one of my favorite movies " Sharky's Machine ". Jeff Imada, perhaps? http://us.imdb.com/Name?Imada,+Jeff I don't know if your speaking of lethal weapon 4 or not, in lethal weapon one there was a scene cut of him attacking mel with another guy in a bar he also haress's Mel in "payback" I belive he also has alot more cameo's then imdb gives him credit for, i believe i've seen him with balisongs alot. and i think in "blade" he was the guy who fought snipes back into the pillar in the library of the ancients. but i could be wrong :) >I the part where Danny I. and the other guy wack the crap out of the >drug >dealer in the alley is IMHO the best MA beating scene in a >movie. Danny >was pretty awesome, plays a good bad guy. Does anyone >know who the other >guy is, is he one of Danny's guys? Another guy I >like is the long haired >Chinese guy that is always a bad guy, >tortured Mel Gibson in Lethal >weapon, anyone know his name. Rocky ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Gary A. Hudgins" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:30:11 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 > > ------------------------------ > > From: AnimalMac@aol.com > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:05:20 EST > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #78 > > In a message dated 2/15/00 7:56:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, > eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << However, when they are > in your house after midnight, uninvited, I don't think you have much > problem showing it was self defense. >> > > Yeah you do.... If it was in self-defense why did you go looking for the guy? > How far away was he at the time? Was he charging you or trying to run. etc. > etc? Even in Colorado with it's infamous "Make my day law" you can't just > shoot someone for being in your house. You WILL go down either criminally or > civilly for answering any of these questions wrong. > Animal Mac: You are absolutely correct in your assertions. However, my comment was the continuation of a thread where we were discussing execution style killings after the perp had broken into your home (or forced his way in when you went to answer the door) or had broken into you business. The perp had gun in hand. My response was to learn disarms, because most times you don't go to the door with your own gun in hand, or sleep on the couch with gun in hand. In those incidents, I do not believe you would have any problem establishing self defense when someone forces his way into your home with gun in hand. > > Folks, would you expect a lawyer to be able to step into the sparring ring > with you and win? No...it's not his turf, it's yours. He doesn't have any > training or experience there. He's going to lose miserably. > By the way Animal, I am a lawyer. I have successfully defended clients claiming self defense and I have been unsuccessful claiming self defense. Most of the cases are the typical bar room fight. One was a cat fight between two girls. Because my client made several attempts to walk away and there was testimony that the other party was throwing what looked to be a punch, my client won the fight & the court case. Another case, (more serious) my client hospitalized a man for a couple of months. He was facing serious time if we lost. (We won) Another case involved a shooting. My female client, a victim of past assaults by her victim, was found guilty. The facts did not fit self defense because he was running around the back of a car when he was shot going away from my client. Testimony that the victim had in the past carried a shot gun in the trunk was not enough to convince the judge we had a claim of self defense, so we were not even allowed to argue self defense to the jury. We lost. You are absolutely correct and have a good grasp of the subject and the problems with the martial arts and self defense. I "Ditto" the rest of your post. Now for the lawyer getting in the ring. Well, I hope I know enough MA that I could run from my opponent for a couple rounds, but I have no illusions that I could hold my own against most well trained martial artists. I couldn't. However, give me a beginner, a novice, or someone ten to twenty years older than me that is only mediocre and I might have a chance. > From: Rocky Pasiwk > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:40 -0500 > Subject: eskrima: Sharky's Machine > > I just caught part of one of my favorite movies " Sharky's Machine ". I > the part where Danny I. and the other guy wack the crap out of the drug > dealer in the alley is IMHO the best MA beating scene in a movie. Danny > was pretty awesome, plays a good bad guy. Does anyone know who the other > guy is, is he one of Danny's guys? Another guy I like is the long haired > Chinese guy that is always a bad guy, tortured Mel Gibson in Lethal > weapon, anyone know his name. > > Rocky > > --- Rocky: I have seen the movie and although I have not been able to identify him, Sifu Francis Fong from Atlanta Georgia is in that movie. I am not sure if he is actually visible or was just a stunt double and therefore you were not suppose to recognize him, but he was in the movie. He might have been the one in the alley, I just don't know exactly what his part was in the movie. His studio has a picture of him and Burt together on the set. This was also when Sifu Fong met Dan Inosanto. Sifu Fong now holds the Southeast martial Arts confernece about two times a year with Dan, Chai Surisuite and others coming in for seminars. If anyone is in Atlanta for any length of time and want to train in Kali, Thai, JKD, grapping, or Wing Chun, you can find these arts at Sifu Fongs studio. Gary H. ------------------------------ From: "John Taylor" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:49:35 GMT Subject: [none] Dear all I feel like a bit of a pratt here... but what does IMHO stand for? It's not a phrase I have ever encountered in Australia. Is it a gosh-darn-apple-pie-thang? In all seriousness, I really don't know. John Taylor. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:12:13 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #79 > > I just caught part of one of my favorite movies " Sharky's Machine ". I > the part where Danny I. and the other guy wack the crap out of the drug > dealer in the alley is IMHO the best MA beating scene in a movie. Danny > was pretty awesome, plays a good bad guy. Does anyone know who the other > guy is, is he one of Danny's guys? Another guy I like is the long haired > Chinese guy that is always a bad guy, tortured Mel Gibson in Lethal > weapon, anyone know his name. > > Rocky > The Chinese guy is Al Leong, I can't remember his instructors name but he is the founder of the "White Lotus" style of Kung Fu - I can dig out one his books if anyone is interested... Jon... ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:57:35 -0000 Subject: rE: eskrima: Terry Gibson vids Buddy asks Anyone have any idea how to order Terry Gibson's Maphilindo Silat videos online? Try their web page...sorry don't know the URL but the link is on the McFann site www.mcfann.cjb.net which is looking good right now. Pictures of yours truly on it!!Ha! lol or Send a mail to Gibson's Martial Arts [GMATulsa@intcon.net] and ask them. Your welcome Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 6:36:10 PST Subject: Re: your mail > I feel like a bit of a pratt here... but what does IMHO stand for? It's not > a phrase I have ever encountered in Australia. Is it a > gosh-darn-apple-pie-thang? In My Humble Opinion Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Bradley Ryan" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:35:00 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #80 R2D2...:-) I mean T2J2M2@cs.com wrote: > The reasons I would prefer to use a baton(expandable) rather then a >folding >knife are many. It is easier to convince a jury in a criminal or civil >trail >that I did not want to kill the man. No blood no foul type of thing. Less >likelihood of bloodshed. Hepatitis C or AIDS is not a fun way to go. >Besides, >a bunch of pictures with knife wounds and blood does wonders for the >prosecution's case....etc My reply: Why don't you just carry a walking stick or a cane. Seems to me that one of them would be a lot easier to convince a jury of not being carried as a weapon, than an expandable baton which really only has one purpose. You seem to be preoccupied with how you would defend yourself in court. I worry more about my training. Please don't take offense from this post, none is intended. I'm just thinking out loud. - -Bradley Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.