From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #82 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 082 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 eskrima: Al Leong eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 eskrima: XOX Style Re: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 eskrima: Al Leong eskrima: Re: weapon carry eskrima: Jeff Imada in Blade eskrima: batons and knifes eskrima: New class in Hawaii [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:43:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 In a message dated 2/16/00 9:38:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I can't remember his instructors name but he is the founder of the "White Lotus" style of Kung Fu >> Douglas Wong Buddy ------------------------------ From: "Bradley Ryan" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:09:27 PST Subject: eskrima: Al Leong Jon Howard wrote:" >The Chinese guy is Al Leong, I can't remember his instructors name but he >is >the >founder of the "White Lotus" style of Kung Fu - I can dig out one his books >if anyone >is interested... My reply: Douglas Wong is the founder of the White Lotus style. In a worthless bit of trivia: I met Al Leong at a B. Dalton's Book Store in 1989. He was at a magazine rack looking at a surfer magazine and everyone in the store was staring at him. He has a very distinctive look! I walked up to him said, "Aren't you Al Leong?" He smiled and said, "Yeah." We talked briefly, I shook his hand and went on my way. Seemed like a nice guy. - -Bradley Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Mike Barnes" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:17:20 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 I just have one question....about the ASP (batons).. What is the difference in carrying a handgun and carrying an ASP? (only = if it is legal to carry either one...such as taking the appropriate = courses so that you can carry them) Both are weapons, not tools that = could be used as weapons...would a jury or judge frown on one and not on = the other? I don't have a handgun, but I do have an ASP and I am going to = get certified so I can carry it... I said one question didn't I...Oh well... Mike Barnes Inayan School of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:44:53 EST Subject: eskrima: XOX Style I ran across an old Filipino man in at Krogers a few years back."Naturally" I segwayed into the Filipino martial arts. Well to make a long story short,this gentalman told me that the style he studied was--XOX--- yes I know it sounds strange but that was the name he called it--just XOX. My question is if anyone here on ED has ever heard of this style? or was this old man just pulling my leg? Unfortunatly I could not talk him into getting together with me to teach me anything. If anyone has heard of this will you please respond? Barry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 8:40:54 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 > I just have one question....about the ASP (batons).. > > What is the difference in carrying a handgun and carrying an ASP? The difference should be defined in the case law and the penal code of your state/county/province/country. Now whether it seems logical to you or not is a different matter altogether, but it is at least readable and somewhat understandable. Most/many state PCs are available on the web. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:47:29 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #81 In a message dated 2/16/00 7:36:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My response was to learn disarms, because most times you don't go to the door with your own gun in hand, or sleep on the couch with gun in hand. In those incidents, I do not believe you would have any problem establishing self defense when someone forces his way into your home with gun in hand. >> No, against home invasion it's pretty clear cut. The bad news is 'most' home invasions are by groups. It isn't just one guy you're facing. While that makes it easier to claim self-defense it is harder to survive such a situation. Unfortunately, most of the burgular shootings I know of are not clear cut self-defense cases. Yes the person is terrified, yes the burgular is in the house and he may even be huffing and puffing and threatening the homeowner. Unfortunately, when he is across the room, coming in the window or a door he isn't directly attacking the person. While learning how do to a gun disarm may seem like a reasonable option, in truth learning how to deflect a blitzkrieg attack will often serve you in better stead under a much wider variety of circumstances. Especially if you learn how to aim your deflection into various walls, chairs and other solid items. Slamming someone into the wall and then reaching out for his buddy tends to make the rest not so keen on insisting on coming in. From what I have managed to gather from reports and informal talking with those who have reseached the reports, a significant number, if not majority, of home invasions first involve a body check or shove before the gun is deployed. They bodycheck the door or shove the person back while forcing entrance and then point the gun. IF this information is correct - like I said it is only informally I have looked at this - then the first part of the attack is more like a grappler's charge, the gun may not even be pointed at you as it can be either shielded or held away from the line of impact. If you have the ability to handle and redirect these kinds of attacks him slamming headfirst into a wall with his entire bodyweight may resolve the gun issue right then and there. It will also help you in a wide variety of other kinds of physical conflict. BTW I wasn't attacking you or your post, I agree with the points you made. I have however seen people pick up that line I quoted from it and run with it in the opposite direction. As an attorney I'm sure you have seen many a person take a complicated issue and try to turn it into a covienent Toys R Us version of what it means and then end up in serious trouble. >By the way Animal, I am a lawyer. got any lawyer jokes? You guys tell the best ones :D >I have successfully defended clients claiming self defense and I have been unsuccessful claiming self defense. Most of the cases are the typical bar room fight. Then I have a favor to ask. Could you tell the list exactly how slippery and unpredictable a court case can be? And how a slick attorney for the other side can make even the most clear cut case of self-defense look like you were in the wrong? Having dealt with court cases, I have a profound respect for how easily things can get twisted around and even the slightest wrong move can be used against you. >Now for the lawyer getting in the ring. Well, I hope I know enough MA that I could run from my opponent for a couple rounds, but I have no illusions that I could hold my own against most well trained martial artists. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D It's okay. I was a history major in college. I used to think that the idea of trial by battle was really stupid. If you lived you were innocent, if you didn't well... Anyway when things turned around a bit people used to hire champions who would sword fight to prove your innocence. I still thought the idea was silly and then I realized that is exactly what we still do today. But instead of broadswords our champions carry briefcases and cell phones. The worst threat I can level at someone is "My lawyer can beat up yours" ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:21:25 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Al Leong Big hey to the Rockmeister (and the rest of the list) FWIW - I think the name of Al Leong's teacher is Douglas Wong ??? At least there are some photo's of him during a tournament and sitting by Sifu Wong in his book on Wing Chun. If you liked some of his fight scenes then check out the first big fight in "Big Trouble In Little China" - top film! Does this guy hold the record for getting killed as the bad guy in the most number of films ??? Anyone else wanna vote for their favorite fight scene in a film... The navy vs police bar room scene in Jackie Chan's Project "A" is also a must see. Jon... ------------------------------ From: "Ted Truscott" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:43:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: weapon carry >It's written that when questioned by LEOs about any potential weapon that it >be claimed for other use, never that it's carried for self defense. With a >baton, you lose that ability right from the get-go. Cdn. Federal law allows the right to carry a weapon for the purpose of self defense without contravening the "contrary to a peaceful purpose" statutes. It must be "appropriate" to the situation, you must be able to wield it in a safe and proper manner, it must not be concealed and you must not accost or impede or beg from anyone while wearing it! Local statutes have precedence so check them out. If you are a sh*tkicker, you'll probably lose it to the LEO, if you are a respectable member (or at least look like it) of society, you will probably be ignored up here. Ted Truscott The Fighting Old Man ------------------------------ From: "billlowery" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:13:56 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Jeff Imada in Blade Hi There, > > I belive he also has alot more cameo's then imdb gives him credit for, i > believe i've seen him with balisongs alot. and i think in "blade" he was > the guy who fought snipes back into the pillar in the library of the > ancients. > > but i could be wrong :) Nope!! Its Jeff alright, and nice tos ee some distinctly JKD moves, even if only briefly. I've got the DVD and in the 'making of' documentary, the fight co-ordinators explain that they give Wesley Snipes Filipino blade work because of its flowing nature, whereas Stephen Dorf is given Japanese blade work due to its definite nature, ie the blade cuts, stops, retracts and cuts again. Bill Lowery "Some motherf**kers just don't know when to stop" Wesley Snipes - Blade ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: batons and knifes On the whole expandable baton vs. pocket knife..couple of things... You would be amazed at what the body can take. With the baton you need to be extremely acurate enough to hit the hand, knee, ceartain joints, or head. Believe me, I've seen guys get hit in the knee with no knee pad from a heavy rattan stick and not only continue the fight but continue fighting the rest of the day (you can visit our friend Kalani in New Mexico for the details), and I've seen someone get their shin split open twice and continue the same way. I've been hit on the hand with nothing but a baseball glove on only to notice how much it hurt a few hours later. I'm sure the same thing goes with a knife. As with anything, you have to have extreme accuracy, although I would probably put my money on the knife. Don't stab in self defense situations, unless you have a big knife it won't make much difference(unless you know exactly where to stab, and again we want to convince the jury that we didn't know what we were doing, we just wanted to protect ourselves). I say their are at least 4 steps to self defense that people should remember, and that is...1)awareness, before anything happens are you aware of your surroundings?, 2)dealing with the immediate attack(rush, adrenaline dump, composure, etc.), 3)what you do immediately after the attack (whether this involves yelling help and pointing in the direction of where you "saw the guy run" whil you conveniently disappear before the police gets there or running to get help), and 4) dealing with the law enforcement and court depending on what course of action you took on step 3. Remember whatever you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Last point, it isn't that hard to run backwards with a knife using angles 1 and 2 using the principles of gunting and palis while the guy is running at you. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:12:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: New class in Hawaii OK..hope ray doesn't charge me for this advertisement... I am now opening a class in Hawaii, Honolulu area. This may change if enough people convince me but the days are now Wednesdays from 6:30 to 8:30pm and Saturdays from 10:00am to 12:00. Cost is $30 a month for 1 class a week and $35.00 a month for two classes. Material covered is in both self-defense and full contact fighting applications using double sticks, single sticks, long and short staff, stick and dagger, dumog, panantukan(empty hands), pananjakman, knife and empty hands. All against itself and each other. Course of the class will teach realistic defense against realistic attacks using drills, strength deflections, and exploration of the students questions. For the students that want it, a third day of full contact stick fighting with very little gear will be available. E-mail me personally or call (808)-386-6236 for more info. First class is free. Discount is given to group students. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #82 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.