From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #85 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 17 Feb 2000 Vol 07 : Num 085 In this issue: eskrima: Re: favorite fight scene eskrima: XOX style eskrima: OXO eskrima: good advice eskrima: Re: Laywers and Burglars and ASPs (on my!) eskrima: The Majapahit Empire eskrima: Kali / Muay Thai / JKD concepts workshop in Buffalo 3/11/2000 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #84 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:13:40 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: favorite fight scene From: "Jon Howard" >Anyone else wanna vote for their favorite fight scene in a film... just one favorite...? the Roaring Girls just watched "Fist of Legend" with Jet Li - *tres cool* :) also the first battle scene in Braveheart (Stirling?)....EXcellent! so many movies...so little time... :)jocelyne ------------------------------ From: "Bradley Ryan" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:31:30 PST Subject: eskrima: XOX style With the passing of Valentine's Day I remembered something. The XOX Style is the Hugs and Kisses Style. C'mon, every one knows that! :-) O.k. bad joke. -Bradley ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:56:58 EST Subject: eskrima: OXO Daniel, Thank you for the info.Perhaps it was OXO and not XOX. It was about 10 years ago. Barry ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:12:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: good advice >I do not think this is good advice. Both statements assume that >you have control of the situation. >Until we get eyes on the back of our heads retreat (run backwards) is >not a very safe option. Agreed about running backwards, just trying to make a point. As you probably know, there are alot of people out there that honestly "think" they can defend themselves and the point wasn't necesssarily that running backwards was the best technique, just a very easy option that can be done in a real situation with very little (if any) practice against an inexperienced attacker. This would probably work with most people than if they had an ASP. Didn't really understand the question about the second statement. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:08:09 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Laywers and Burglars and ASPs (on my!) All of these seem to fit together.... I'm not a lawyer. I don't even play one on TV. But I try to stay educated about the little bits of the Law that affect what I do. The first thing to realize is that what the law says and what happens in a courtroom have very little to do with each other and even less to do with justice. If you do end up in front of a jury it will be made up of people who can't get out of jury duty. This excludes almost anyone with a day job or kids to take care of. I was called for jury duty twice recently. What I saw was mostly the unemployed, the unemployable, retirees, and people who don't get out much. The lawyers will get rid of anyone who's ever been a crime victim, a cop, or who knows anything about any matter even vaguely connected with anything relevant to the case. They want a bunch of blank slates to write on. For instance, I make my living doing computer stuff and teaching self defense. I'll never serve on a jury trying a computer crime case or anything related to sexual assault of someone defending her or himself against a crime. Your lawyer is paid to be on your side. The other lawyer or (G-d forbid) the prosecutor is paid to believe that you are Evil Incarnate. The whole thing will be overseen by (and you will be second-guessed by) an overworked judge who spends 40 hours a week being G-d Almighty in the splendid isolation of his or her courtroom surrounded mostly by attorneys and people who are guilty of something. And these people hold your life, property, and freedom in their hands. This is not a situation you want to be in. The first thing you should do is not get into the kind of trouble that ends with you in court. That should be obvious, but some people forget it. Getting into fights is not a good way to stay out of court. You probably don't want to get drunk and rowdy at the Blow Fly Tavern [a hideous dive near the dump in Portland]. One thing you really should avoid is hurting people because you're angry at them. You might have to hurt someone in order to stop them from harming you or some other innocent person. But that's where your right to do that sort of thing ends for the most part. A while back someone talked about a duty to "cleanse the gene pool" of bad people. This is just the sort of crap which will get you thrown into the clink for a long unpleasant time if you say it to the police or in court. Getting back to the burglary thing... Laws really vary from state to state. The Oregon Revised Statutes say that deadly force is permitted against someone who is "attempting to commit a burglary against a dwelling". In theory, if they are even trying to get in you can shoot them through the door. In practice you'd better have a good reason to believe that they really are burglars and that they're threats to your safety. Other places require that you retreat from your own home. See a competent lawyer. There's been some discussion about what you can do if the bad guys come into your house. It's true that a greater percentage of burglaries these days are actually armed home invasion robberies. But the vast majority are still performed against houses which the burglar believes to be unoccupied. In the US. In Britain and now increasingly in Australia and Canada burglaries are more likely to be "hot" (the criminal knows that someone's at home). Our personal plan goes something like this: 1) Our dogs have several distinctive barks which we recognize. "There's another dog somewhere within ten blocks." "The bad-mannered chow is in our yard again." "The kitten wants to come in." "The mailman's here." and so on. When we hear the "Strangers are on the porch." bark or the unmistakable "Bad Strangers in the House. Prepare to Repel Boarders" frightening sound [not a bark, not a growl, hope you never hear a dog making it] we let the dogs downstairs if they aren't already there. 2) I figure that the ones who aren't really serious will go elsewhere. If they still try to break in or are already in the house they will probably have their hands full with a territorial Aussie Cattle Dog and a loyal and protective German Sheperd mix. We sit tight at that point. If we hear the dogs being killed we cry later; for 20,000 years the Arrangement has been we feed and care for dogs, and they love and guard us. Marc, you have a non-lethal option here. They might trip over your basset hound :-) 3) If whoever it is has gotten past the dogs we don't have anything really valuable downstairs except for books. We can always replace books, and I doubt that most crooks are interested in them. 4) If they come upstairs AFTER breaking into our house, KNOWING that there are people inside, AFTER dealing with the dogs, AFTER stealing the somewhat valuable stuff we have downstairs (and after getting triple hernias from lugging away a couple metric tons of books), THEN I'd say we have a reasonable expectation that they can hurt us and have put us in serious danger. At that point they have to come up the stairs, around the first landing into a narrow hallway where only one of them can get at time and run into the two of us with shotguns confronting them from enfilade. If they don't immediately run away or surrender completely and instantly I don't know what else there is to say. If they are still coming after that what we probably need is garlic, a stake, and a priest. Imposing additional constraints on exactly which empty-hand techniques we use is probably not going to make a whole lot of difference legally. I've been thinking about this a lot because in the last few months three sets of our friends and neighbors have been in similar situations. 1) A couple guys tried to break into the house of our neighbors across the street. When they couldn't get in (they would have had a nasty surprise if they had) they hid up in a tree waiting for the women to come out. What came instead was the police who got real excited about some old unfinished business they had with the creeps. 2) Five drunken assholes came over an fence, into a friend's yard, hurt the dog, and started throwing stuff at the house. They decided that messing with a hillbilly with a bolt gun was not the party they came to dance at. So they left, started brawling in the street, and were still fighting each other when the police showed up ten/twenty minutes later. By the bye, four of the five were sober enough to restrain their friend who was about to charge a guy who had a rifle loaded and aimed at him. 3) "A bunch" of people broke into another friend's house at night. The first one through the door shot at a couple of guests who were sleeping in the living room. One of the guests returned fire with a shotgun. The criminals left. Quickly. So, what's the point of all of this? - - Know the law - - Know what you are doing and why you are doing it - - Make sure that your reasons are good, legal ones - - Don't do things that are likely to end up with you on the wrong end of a trial. About ASPs and the law: The law really changes from place to place on this. As a couple of people have said before even if they are legal to own and carry you will probably have more trouble with a weapon you carried as a weapon than using a tool you normally use for other stuff as an improvised weapon. My Spyderco gets used for everything. If I am ever so unfortunate as to have to cut someone with it the forensics lab will find tape, string, cream cheese, bread, paper, and gawd knows what else on it. In general people in the US are more comfortable with what they are familiar with. The laws reflect this. To the popular mind only evil degenerate nigras, mezcans, ay-rabs, and slopes use clubs and knives and kung-fooey-stuff. Honest, God-Fearing, Tax-Paying, White, Christian Men use guns. So in many places where owning an automatic knife or a shuriken or carrying a big stick is a felony it is only a misdemeanor to walk around rodded-up. It's the law. It doesn't have to make sense. Todd ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:50:17 EST Subject: eskrima: The Majapahit Empire I have a few Questions about the "Resurrected" Majapahit empire. First, what does an Indonesian Empire that lasted from 1300-1600 have to do with modern Pekiti-tirsia? What is this modern "Empire" exist for? Third, what relationship does Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje jr, and Guro Dan Inosanto have to this empire? ------------------------------ From: "TOM MACALUSO" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:21:00 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Kali / Muay Thai / JKD concepts workshop in Buffalo 3/11/2000 If you are interested in going to a workshop covering JKD concepts / Kali / Muay Thai given by Thomas Macaluso on March 11 from 1pm to 4 pm please contact Tim Hartman at horizonma@hotmail.com for more information suggested equipment workout attire , a notebook and a open mind ------------------------------ From: "Gary A. Hudgins" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:04:41 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #84 > I tell people that lawyers are like bouncers, their primary job is to keep > trouble from happening. If despite their best efforts, things still go > sideways then they are supposed to fight for you, but only to protect your > interests. Still, I want a lawyer that will win by being as nasty and > viscious as it takes. > **DISCLAIMER: The following is IMHO.** Just as there are people who would rather fight in a bar room brawl then to walk out the side exit and avoid the fight, there are "Mean and Nasty Lawyers" who make a fight out of everything. If that is the lawyer you are looking for, you will get a court fight when walking out by settling your case is in your best interest. (Sometimes, (like in Self Defense) its the guy who finesses through the ordeal with out a scrape that comes out ahead. If your "Mean and Nasty Lawyer" pisses off the other side, pisses off the judge and then pisses off the jury, you might get the opportunity to piss off the inmates. Like in life, self defense, and the court room, the meanest, baddest, looking dude is not always the one that comes out on top. Gary H. Legal Eagle <"You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, and know when to walk away" - -- Kenny Rogers. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:10:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #85 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.