From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #112 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 5 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 112 In this issue: eskrima: Kuntao Silat eskrima: Cardio & Cooking eskrima: Re: conditioning [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:52:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Kuntao Silat Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:00 A.M. -- 2:00 P.M. Mr. Willem de Thouars and Mr. Victor de Thouars are presenting their arts of Chinese kuntao and Indonesian pentjak silat to benefit a fellow student of the arts, Charles Davis. Mr. Davis has an inoperable brain tumor and no insurance. Willem and Victor de Thouars are graciously donating their time to help this man and all proceeds are go directly to him (please make your checks out to Charles Davis). Come and learn from these outstanding and authentic martial art masters, and help a brother in need at the same time. Where: Sports-O-Rama, 10601 W 44th Ave., Denver, Colorado (6 blocks west of Kipling on the North side of 44th, just south of I-70 and Kipling). Contact: Progressive Martial Arts, 303-455-0222 Cost: $40.00 (or more if you can help) ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:43:28 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Cardio & Cooking Pat Davis asked: "Taken my time reading this and pondering but I keep coming back to the same thing IMO You miss out one important element on your list Tuhon: conditioning With it each one on the list is determined. By conditioning I'm talking about being fit, having wind. An unfit able fighter will lose in most cases to a fitter less able fighter (eg:Tyson v Douglas). Looking fwd to the second part" Actually you will get pretty good conditioning from pad drills, bag work and sparing (at least if done right). I consider the best conditioning training though to be running with wind sprints. But I consider roadwork to fall under the category of the student's "homework assignment" and like weightlifting, though beneficial, not done in class. Steve, responding to Pat's comment, is right in saying that real fights are over real quick, but conditioning does help even in the short term. Having good wind not only helps when you want to throw 100 punches, but it also helps you throw the first punch with more power (see last year's posts on chi and breathing). Cooking and FMA. In 1981 my Penchak instructor Eddie Jafri had two students who worked at the Tavern on the Green in Manhattan. Both Eddie and I were looking for work at the time so they got us jobs there. We were hired as "stewards" which meant we divided our time between getting supplies and playing human Cusinart chopping up food to be prepped. One of Eddies students was named Charles Vickers. A gentle giant of a guy, he worked as a Gran Mange' (sp). He did all the fancy carvings on fruit platters and such (which meant he could cut you up, but it would be in a decretive way). I not sure if much of what I did helped my martial arts, but I did learn you can't equate "big & expensive" in the restaurant business with clean. Eddie and I worked in the banquet section which was well cared for, but most of the people actually doing the cooking in Ala Carte were minimum wage immigrants. I got into a tussle with a Hispanic cook one day and he pulled a chief's knife on me. I pulled my knife and told him we can take this outside (I was only 20 at the time with more balls than brains). At closing time, he went up to his locker and put a .38 in his pocket. A friend told me about this and helped mediate a truce, which I "allowed" myself to be talked into. All this at a place that was at the time the 2nd best money making restaurant in the U.S. Rufi Pambuan does ice sculptures at Disney World in Orlando, FL. He's a nice guy with a mean knife. Maybe his job has something to do with it. I think some of his students are on the digest and can post something about Rufi. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath www.pekiti-tirsia.com ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Bikendova" Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 06:09:15 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: conditioning >IMO You miss out one important element on your list Tuhon: conditioning >With it each one on the list is determined. >By conditioning im talking about being fit, having wind. An unfit able >fighter will lose in most cases to a fitter less able fighter (eg:Tyson v >Douglas). I would disagree with this post. In a normal fight in the real world, conditioning has little or nothing to do with anything. I have seen/been part of more than a few fights, and the only one that lasted more than a minute was a fight between two women. (It went ten minutes and finally stopped due to exhaustion!) In most real fights, the victory goes to the aggressor, or the one who is willing to take the fight to the other guy. We would like to believe that the fittest guy should win, but that beer-bellied, out-of-shape biker will kick that fit, slim and trim martial artist's ass 99 times out of 100. Steve" I am somewhere in the middle here. I do agree that the boxing analogy is a little weak for self defense. You don't have 12 rounds to wear someone down, neither do you have breaks between said rounds to analyze someone's weaknesses. This is a fundamental and vital difference (and one of the reasons Vunak's original JKD kickboxing videos were a bit off for me--the whole idea of dancing around on the outside like Sugar Ray and then entering when and how you wanted to, etc.). OTOH, believing "attitude' or "bad-assed-ness" or whatever will get you through is also a bit problematic. Jerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:34:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #112 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.