From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #114 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 6 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 114 In this issue: eskrima: Ground knife fighting eskrima: Re: Stuart=downtown Manhatten eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia in NYC eskrima: what systems? eskrima: Re Conditioning [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew R Breton Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:33:16 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Ground knife fighting How about this for a thread: Take the scenario where you are unarmed, fighting on the ground with an opponent armed with a knife. Besides the obvious comments on the situation("don't do it", "get the hell out of there", "I already beat him up so badly on the way down that he couldn't continue fighting") or obvious techniques ("secure the weapon hand" - then do what?), and irrespective of how you got there, what techniques would you tend to use: 1. When you were kneeling beside an opponent lying down 2. When you are facing an opponent kneeling over and beside you 3. When you have the opponent in the mount 4. When your opponent has you in the mount 5. When you have the opponent in the side mount 6. When your oppoennt has you in the side mount 7. When you and your opponent are both lying down facing each other 8. In general, what principles would you be using? 9. What positions or locks would you be trying to put the opponent in? I look forward to reading some of the expert opinions on this digest. Andy Breton ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:29:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Stuart=downtown Manhatten Stuart asked: Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:07:11 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia in NYC Hi, After doing a lot of reading and research, I've decided to supplement my ma training with some FMA, specifically Pekiti-Tirsia. I would like to train in it once or twice a week and am wondering if anyone can recommend a school, preferably in downtown Manhattan. I work down on Wall Street, so the closer to that the better. Thanks in advance, Stuart> Response: I can recommend an excellent school that teaches Arnis/Escrima and excellent street fighting techniques, re: Vee Arnis Jitsu on Park Avenue, downtown Manhatten. The founder, Professor Vee (now deceased) was a well known Filipino Martial Artist who was well versed in various arts. Currently, Professor James is the head of the system. This is a no nonsense street effective system. Their videos have been rated among the best in the U.S. My dad used to have a restaurant on Park Avenue. Good Luck. Ken McDonough __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:53:51 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia in NYC You find a list of Pekiti-Tirsia International instructors on the PTI web site (www.pekiti-tirsia.com) and through Loki Jorgenson's FMA instructor's site (http://www.pekiti-tirsia.org:8080/FMA/Instructors/) In addition, you are welcome to attend my monthly class in Fishkill, N.Y. (info on the PTI site). Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:42:14 -0800 Subject: eskrima: what systems? The only one's I know are: Pedoy-Derobio Eskrima Lucay Lucay,Lucky-Panantukan (I don't know what style his Eskrima was) ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:28:28 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re Conditioning It's a fair point steve but we may just be arguing the same thing without recognising the terms. From: "Steven Drape" << In a normal fight in the real world, conditioning has little or nothing to do with anything. I have seen/been part of more than a few fights, and the only one that lasted more than a minute was a fight between two women. (It went ten minutes and finally stopped due to exhaustion!) In most real fights, the victory goes to the aggressor, or the one who is willing to take the fight to the other guy. Snip>> I worked in the door environment for over ten years and so I have seen what you say. I accept your point that " the victory goes to the aggressor". However usually that aggressor may well be in command of the attributes that we talked about. I know many manual workers who are conditioned by their regular work who are the most confident and aggressive. The engineers sitting next to me, with the pot belly and the frequent smoking breaks, is not going to stand up to that aggressor. Conditioning may come in many forms and I know a few guys who look rather large yet are in really good shape. Maybe my analogy with the boxer was perhaps simplistic and unnecessary. The farmer who swung the bolo everyday to live was after all too strong for the solders of Magellan! I would like to hear Marc MacYoung (animal) comment here. From: "BILL MCGRATH" <> of course conditioning from pad drills, bag work and sparing is the highest level supplemented with cross training. Ive seen many good practioners overwhemed by fitter opponents purely because they did their homework. In a recent erik Paulson seminar in Edinburgh he defined the more likely successful martial artist as one who will go home after a seminar and write down the notes or go and run. IMO you have to do your homework. However may I ask what the drill was for when you got your students to slash at that tree that fell in your garden? Realistic fighting to heighten the need for better conditioning? Why do we thump the stick into our tyres/punchbags if it is not conditioning! Sorry im thinking as I type....what a great day! ; ) Many thanks Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:27:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #114 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.