From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #117 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 7 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 117 In this issue: eskrima: weak Spanish soldiers eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #110 eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia in NYC eskrima: machine gun vs. swords eskrima: Skills list update eskrima: Farmer tools [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leo Salinel Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:44:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: weak Spanish soldiers I am new on this list but I hope u guys would accept my humble opinion on this. As a Filipino who knows his country's history, let me tell you that the Spaniards won by reason of political strategy--pitting Visayans against Tagalogs, Bicolanos, Ilocanos against Moslems, Pampanguenos, etc. Next their priests did a great job of softening hostile hearts with the gospel. We all know how strong and how effective religion is in changing people's attitudes. But I would acknowledge the Spanish influences, particularly the rapier and dagger techniques, on escrima/kali/arnis. However, there was a bedrock of sword and knife techniques to build on /supplement. Are there any Serrada Escrima practitioners in the Philippines? In Manila in particular? I find the discourse on the Tenio DeCuerdas system rather impressive. Does Master Arthur Gonzales have any students or instructors here in Manila? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:57:10 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #110 > From: "Steven Drape" > Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:19:26 PST > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #109 > > >IMO You miss out one important element on your > list Tuhon: conditioning > >With it each one on the list is determined. > >By conditioning im talking about being fit, > having wind. An unfit able > >fighter will lose in most cases to a fitter less > able fighter (eg:Tyson v > >Douglas). > > I would disagree with this post. In a normal > fight in the real world, > conditioning has little or nothing to do with > anything. I have seen/been > part of more than a few fights, and the only one > that lasted more than a > minute was a fight between two women. (It went > ten minutes and finally > stopped due to exhaustion!) In most real fights, > the victory goes to the > aggressor, or the one who is willing to take the > fight to the other guy. We > would like to believe that the fittest guy should > win, but that > beer-bellied, out-of-shape biker will kick that > fit, slim and trim martial > artist's ass 99 times out of 100. > > Steve Sorry Steve I can't agree with you on this one, Combat fitness is indeed an important part of any MA's survival repertoire. While it is true that the any physical exercise that is less than 2 minutes in duration will be anerobic in nature, aerobic fitness (having some wind) will let you recover faster and make better decisions under stress. (Ever try to make a sound tactical decision when you're winded?) Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that most fights are over in seconds and never get past that anerobic threshold but conditioning does have an important function in combat. When my SWAT team hits a house (narcotics search warrant) for instance, the time frame is usually less than 60 seconds. It is amazing that although we don't run (you only move as fast as you can shoot accurately) how winded you are. Now, I don't care if the guy/gal is "slim and trim" but they should be able to withstand the rigors of all out combat in the short term and be able to hang if the fight isn't over in 2 minutes. In terms of fighting let me relate what one of my combat shooting instructor/mentors, Evan Marshall (Detroit PD sergeant/retired) said about his "many" gunfights. He never once saw a guy holding a stopwatch and a tape measure. In other words, the mere fact you are in a fight to begin with is an "anomaly." Anything can happen in street combat from standing with weapons to going to the ground, from over with one or two blows to locked into a position until one or the combatants either is stopped (structurally i.e.-broken bones, choke, etc..) or is unable to continue due to fatigue. If we are to really prepare for combat we must not disregard conditioning. Respectfully, KD ------------------------------ From: "james lankford" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:13:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia in NYC I have a page with a list of instructors in the NYC, NJ area http://www.erols.com/jlankford/FMA_in_NY.html ------------------------------ From: "*" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:45:21 -0800 Subject: eskrima: machine gun vs. swords in draggers book he states that the machine gun is the best way to kill at a distance, unfortunately in the jungles of Mindanao one cant see a great distance (paraphrased) - when I was train in the PI with tuhon gaje, i was training along side of the PI force recon (their special forces) - recon was learning kali because one day on patrol in the south, a gorilla jumped out of the bushes and killed a solider or two before anyone could react - so depending on the environment - hand to hand may just be your greatest/most effective weapon Steve ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:24:32 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Skills list update Great thread! Really got the mind working on this one. I've run my classes a certain way and I think this could just change them. To recap, Tuhon McGrath asked: I would like to hear from other instructors on the order they would choose for each of two groups of students; Group 1. training for one or more years and Group 2. for just 6 weeks. You don't have to use all the categories, just which order you would teach certain skills in and why. Well I find it hard to actually keep them in an order. They are part of a matrix and depending on the student depends on the quantities of the values chosen. For the 'year plus' student I have set them into three groups. Direct skills, attributes and mental emotional. These are brief titles so don't make them an issue. I'm trying to keep it brief and direct to the point. With the luxury of time I can blend anyone of the groups together. For example, striking utilising body positioning with a strategic vantage. Group 1. training for one or more years: A: Striking (Delivering force) Blocking* (Defending against force) Clinching (Including trapping) Grappling (Both standing and on the ground) B: Footwork & body positioning (Mobility in your firing platform) Flow (The ability to fluidity change from one technique to another) Timing (The ability to do the right thing at the right time) Conditioning (cardio-vascular and muscular) C: Aggressiveness (Your willingness to deliver punishment) Strategy (Your battle plan) Courage (The ability to overcome fear in order to achieve your goal) Rules of Engagement (When to fight - morally and legally) The second group I would look at being able to give them the basic tenents and over the six week period encourage other principles to come into play through the basic exercise. Straight away it would be important to get them on the boat and therefore I have group A. If they buy into the programme then B becomes the main intercourse otherwise we struggle with A over the six weeks and the others become impotent. Group 2. for just 6 weeks. A. Rules of Engagement, Strategy B. Striking & Blocking. Clinching & Grappling (Flow & Timing) C. Footwork & body positioning = Conditioning D. Aggressiveness, Courage In a six week course we want them to end with at least the basic ability to strike and block(depending on your definition of this!), clinch and grapple. The teaching of this utilises C in translating to the student the best way to maximise the force generated from the technique. Once this is on board we have a student who is getting a good workout and starting to feel strong. This is the point for me when we start to encourage D. Of course it always depends on who you are teaching. Some people would put D further forward but the dangers of having a student courageously attempt to put someone out when they don't possess the skill to do so is not a good idea. Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:36:57 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Farmer tools eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: AnimalMac@aol.com > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:18:43 EST > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #115 > These guys lives depended on them being able to use a blade. If your life > depended on it wouldn't you practice? And that is all they did. Unlike the > farmers, they didn't have to bring in the crops. The average farmer's chances > of surviving against a conquestador is about the same as your chance to > survive against a SEAL. Agreed. Also, man-to-man bladed combat is also a game of numbers. There weren't many conquistadors. I would more than 300 have landed to fight thousands of islanders? I recall reading some historical accounts of Columbus that didn't need more than 20 soldiers to occupy a Caribbean island. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:33:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #117 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.