From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #120 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 9 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 120 In this issue: eskrima: Predators and scavengers eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: Subject: International Women's Day eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #118 eskrima: Re: fickle fingers [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Ellner Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:39:12 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Predators and scavengers AnimalMac@aol.com writes: << Muggers are hunters looking for dinner. >> >Yo Marco... Let me throw a different spin on that. One that comes from the >same model, but has significant influence on the connotations of what you are >dealing with. >Criminals aren't predators, they are scavangers. >While they can range from cockroaches and rats who will run at the lights >being switched on, they also include hyenas and jackels that are pretty bad >assed pieces of real estate. While they can and will hunt (or rat pack a >larger opponent) most of their livelihood comes from opportunistic >scavanging. (i.e. break ins when nobody is home). >However often the same can be said for their predation -- much of it is >opportunistic. Unlike a predator who will hit a larger animal than itself, >scavangers seldom will. What they will do is find a "feeding" area where they >will stake out and wait for those "weaker" than themselves to isolate >themselves from immediate help (that subway platform for example or a mall >parking lot). While there are those that will hit in the middle of a crowd, >they are the exception rather than the rule. Umm, Marc, your criminology may or may not be sound. But your zoology is definitely not your strong suit. Whether an animal is a predator or scavenger is largely a matter of opportunity and degree. And very few predators will go after something that has a good chance of hurting them. If you get hurt, you can't hunt. If you can't hunt, you die. That's why feral cats in NYC (honest) generally don't eat rats. The rats range up to about half the weight of the cats, and it just isn't worth the risk for kitty. Imagine fighting a 75 pound rat with just a couple of knives. *shudder* Wolves subsist mostly on small rodents. They don't tend to bring down caribou unless there's a whole bunch of wolves. The big cats prefer to get dinner without working for it if they can. Hyenas and lions compete for the same prey and drive each other off kills depending on who shows up with more homies. Jackals eat small critters most of the year and feast on placentas during birthing season. In short, unless you're looking at predatory wasps (and how much in cojones does it take to sting a caterpillar?) most predators try to get what they're after with as little risk as possible which usually means not going after anything bigger than themselves without lots of friends. It has a lot more to do with calories in - calories out than anything else. This means that most of them will scavenge when they can. Carnivores have to be inherently lazy. A lot of hunting is waiting. A bad hunter, human or otherwise, runs around after game or takes on something he can't take down. A good hunter knows where the game is likely to be, waits for it, and picks the one that can't run away and isn't going to be a problem. Come to think of it, there really isn't that much difference between criminals and predators.... Todd ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 17:34:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: (no subject) Marc and the other Gentleman's comment on the ability to run when out numbered, being a factor in your physical fitness statis, makes sense to me. Rocky ------------------------------ From: "J" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:25:43 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Subject: International Women's Day Happy International Women's Day!!!!!!!!!! We Have the Power !!!!!!! Johnaleen- " The Eskimador wana-bee " ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:46:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #118 Steve responded: > I also believe in fitness, but I'm talking > about fighting. Your point > about recovery and decision-making is moot in an > altercation that lasts > 30-40 seconds. Sorry, decision making i.e.-"do I continue to fight or disengage" "his friend is now entering the fray, time to boogie" "he's reaching in his pocket, is he drawing a knife or gun" "he's now down on the ground time to stop" etc... is going to be present throughout a fight regardless of the duration. Fact is the better "conditioned" a combatant is the better decisions they will be "able" to make in a fight. (As well as more options.) > Here, you are talking about preparing for a > potentially life-threatening > situation. You think about what is coming, your > heart-rate increases, your > adrenaline has been elevated for perhaps minutes, > and you're probably just > plain nervous/scared, depending on the severity > of the situation. The > adrenaline is what takes it all out of you. In > most fights, while the > aggressive posturing , etc. may have gone on for > a while, that preparation > for combat that you are describing generally has > not taken place, or if it > has, not to that same degree. Fight or flight is not dependant on "thinking about what is coming" (although I'll concede that in can help.) Scientists have documented over 150 physiological responses to stress. Survival stress can kick in nano-seconds. In the police community we have recorded heart rate increases from 70 bpm to in excess of 250-300 bpm! This is the body preparing itself for battle. Adrenaline, noreadrenaline, epinephrine etc..kick in to continue to fuel the body for combat but at first the body's reactions: increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, blood being circulated to the major muscle masses and "wicked" away from smaller muscles, impaired cognitive abilities, on and on...is automatic. Other physiological reactions are: tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, time distortions, etc...are also thrown in when the brain is processing a bunch of info quickly for it's survival while in survival mode. Certainly the pre-fight dance can be enough to fire-up survival stress responses. A surprise attack in a second can do the same thing. (BTW with as few as three deep breaths for can lower your heart rate for as long as 45 seconds so you can move/respond better.) > You're correct and I agree with you, except > that in my experience, > usually "anything could happen" is not what > happens. Usually, one guy takes > out the other in short order, or somebody breaks > it off and runs. Granted and I think in both of our experiences one if not both of the combatants is under the influence of alcohol/drugs and has impaired abilities (and it doesn't make them less dangerous) and the "fight" is usually some type of ambush or sucker punch. I mean let's be honest, how many "squared off" fights happen without alcohol or for that matter, period? I'll also say that most people that are "attacked" fail to read the warning signs and end up being hit before they even know it. > Again, no disagreement. It is always better to > be fit than not, I was > just commenting on the experiences I have had. > > Steve And I certainly agree that the "fat biker type" (no offense to fat bikers!)can be extremely dangerous. Especially if they have a black belt in bar brawling (actual street fighting experience). I think all of us will agree that to make our arts functional we need to replicate the circumstances (street reality) as much as we can in our training. In addition we need to be as combat fit as we can not just for overall health but also as a component of survival. Respectfully, KD ------------------------------ From: pens@juno.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:31:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: fickle fingers A question for Doc Linquist, I hope you don't mind. I jammed a finger playing hoop about a month ago and another on the same hand grappling. Every time I wake up from sleep - be it in the am or after a nap - my fingers are extremely stiff and painful. I had to resize my wedding band because the knuckle swelling did not go down. Is there something I can do for this? Ice, heat, magic pill? Thanks, Sovann ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! 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