From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #122 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 10 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 122 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #121 eskrima: Hilot Masters in Nothern CA? eskrima: Ground Knife Fighting eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia seminar update eskrima: Pekiti seminar PS eskrima: re: Victor Gendrano Jr seminar eskrima: medical curiosities... eskrima: SouthEast Seminar - Atlanta, GA [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ricklind@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:16:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #121 Sovann asked: A question for Doc Linquist, I hope you don't mind. I jammed a finger playing hoop about a month ago and another on the same hand grappling. Every time I wake up from sleep - be it in the am or after a nap - my fingers are extremely stiff and painful. I had to resize my wedding band because the knuckle swelling did not go down. Is there something I can do for this? Ice, heat, magic pill? Thanks, Sovann Sovann, The most direct answer to your question is, no, there is no really quick acting remedy that I know of. Warmth will generally loosen the fingers up but may cause some swelling, Ice (about 30 minutes 4 to 6 times a day if possible) can slowly help swelling and reduces pain. Ibuprofen or Naproxen over the counter are decent anti inflammatories and pain relievers. Dit Da Jow won't hurt (I like it). Probably one of the best things you could do right about now is to be sure to "buddy tape" the fingers if possible and help prevent reinjury. A little bit of cotton fluff stretched out between the fingers before taping keeps the alignment straight and is more comfortable. All this is predicated on the fingers being sprained rather than having fractures. It's sometimes hard to tell; I wind up x-raying a fair amount because I can't tell. Usually though, if the finger alignment is normal and the opening and closing of the fingers works well then it's often OK to give it 4 to 6 weeks to get better. If function is poor or if there's a specific site that still hurts when touched or if the alignment is off then the chance of a fracture goes up significantly. YMMV Good Luck, Rick. ------------------------------ From: Saturbo@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:36:13 EST Subject: eskrima: Hilot Masters in Nothern CA? Are there any Hilot Instructors in Northern California? Should anybody have any good leads, please email me. Thanks! Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! R. Saturno, Jr ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:58:59 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Ground Knife Fighting Eric and Saturbo@aol.com, Thanks for the well thought responses! > Every position you described is bad for the guy without the knife. Actually, I meant the positions just as a point of reference. For example, when I said 'side mount' I meant the positions relative to one another, rather than arm or hip placement specifics or even necessarily having your weight on him/or his on you. > When I was training BJJ with John Machado (of the famous Machado > Bros.) > we explored just such a scenario. ... John reflected for a > moment and then commented that the only strategy he could think of > against a skilled knifer was to stop the knife first. We then > revisited each position again and he literally attacked my weapon > hand > with his entire body - quite successfully I might add. I worked out with Carlos Machado here in Dallas. How exactly would John attack the weapon arm with his entire body? Carlos, for example, might go for the run of the mill arm bar with his entire body against the shoulder/upper arm. And only after having that control would he go for the arm bar per se. I hope I'm articulating this is a way that can be understood. Contrast with those people who swing thier legs over before they have any kind of control. (not to get into the position vs. technique argument) In regards to Saturbo@aol.com's post, I would think body angling to get out of the way of the knife on the ground would not be as important as body angling to control the knife or knife arm. Was this your experience as well? Saturbo@aol.com also mentioned disarms. Are they practical on the ground? Any particular disarms that worked well, or was this not a part of what you were doing. I'm picturing Captain Kirk hitting the opponent's hand on the ground until the weapon is dropped. How practical was grounding the weapon i.e. kneeling or stepping on the knife arm? I was able > to > switch the knife from hand to hand in the early "rounds" but he soon > > had the antidote to that. That's interesting, because that was one of the things I was worried about. What was his antidote? I was thinking of keeping his hands separate, either by lockng/twisting one arm or by interposing my body between the opponent's knife hand and his torso or if I had the upper position and my legs under me by raising his arm and body. I don't think wrapping the arm (e.g. trapping his weapon arm in your armpit) works, as it seems your opponent can easily bridge, change hip positions slightly, and then break his arm free or switch weapon hands. I would be interested in hearing more position by position information about your experiments, if you're so inclined. Thanks again for your responses Andy ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:03:00 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia seminar update Here is an updated list of my year 2000 seminars. March 25th Nashua, NH Solo Baston Abcedario & knife variations Mr. Don MacKay (603) 889-6181 April 29th & 30th Myrtle Beach, SC Pekiti de Mano Dr. Chris Ash (843) 497-6467 May 20th & 21st Boston, MA Solo Baston 64 Attacks Mr. Jack Bernard (617) 666-2464 June 3rd Utica, NY Abcedario de Mano & Knife variations Mr. Chris Fry (315) 724-7479 August 7th Las Vegas, NV. Police Counter Knife Mr. Jon Gentile (702) 222-1950 igore@thegrid.net Sept. 23rd & 24th New Iberia, LA. Single Stick Subsystem Mr. Dan Terrell (337) 369-3657 dterrell@eatel.net Plus monthly seminars in Fishkill, NY on the following dates: March 11th April 8th May 13th June 10th July 8th September 9th October 14th November 11th December 9th Please visit the Pekiti-Tirsia International web site for more information on these seminars. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath www.pekiti-tirsia.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:09:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti seminar PS One late addition to my seminar list: May 6th Newington, CT. Walking Stick & Palm Stick Contact: Mr. Dave Everett (860) 232-0109 www.white-lotus.com Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:20:01 -0000 Subject: eskrima: re: Victor Gendrano Jr seminar Ioannis Rekleitis wrote: I am sending this announcement on behalf of my school. Filipino Martial Arts Seminars with Victor Gendrano Jr. Victor is a Kali instructor at the Inosanto Academy in Los Angeles who specializes in a number of different Filipino martial arts systems. snip I had the good fortune to train on a late Friday night last march at Victors class. As a visiting student to the Inosanto academy he made me very welcome to his class and the academy which I thoroughly enjoyed. I found his class extremely informative and, being at the end of a long day for me, very enjoyable. I never got his full name but have now and would encourage anyone who can to take advantage of this seminar. If you could pass on to Victor my respects and best wishes and I hope to be able to train with him again next year. Yours Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Ludwig Schwarz Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:50:08 +0100 (MET) Subject: eskrima: medical curiosities... Hi everybody, > Fight or flight is not dependant on "thinking about what is > coming" (although I'll concede that in can help.) > Scientists have documented over 150 physiological responses > to stress. Survival stress can kick in nano-seconds. In > the police community we have recorded heart rate increases > >from 70 bpm to in excess of 250-300 bpm! This is the body > preparing itself for battle. for anyone who is looking for medical curiosities: There has been at least one recording of the blood pressure of an actual murderous assault, not under training conditions but the real thing. A cardiac patient bearing an portable blood pressure recorder was assaulted in his kitchen by an burglar armed with a knife. The burglar stabbed the brother of the patient in the abdomen, and the patient himself was stabbed in the chest. Fortunately the knife hit the recorder ;-). Here is the reference: Int J Cardiol 1988 Jul;20(1):138-41 Intra-arterial ambulatory blood pressure monitoring can save your life--or, acute haemodynamic response to a murderous assault. Heber ME, Raftery EB, Thompson D Department of Cardiology, Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow, Middlesex, U.K. A patient undergoing intra-arterial blood pressure monitoring was attacked by a burglar armed with a knife. The knife was turned aside by the transducer/perfusion unit, which continued to monitor his heart rate and blood pressure throughout. A pronounced "fight or flight" response was recorded. Cheers Ludwig - -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: hzoota@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:37:13 -0500 Subject: eskrima: SouthEast Seminar - Atlanta, GA SouthEastern Martial Arts Training Conference DATE: April 7, 8 & 9, 2000 LOCATION: Francis Fong Martial Arts Academy Featuring: Guro Dan Inosanto - JKD/Jun Fan, Fillipino Martial Arts, Silat, Shootwrestling, BJJ Ajarn Chai Sirisuite - Muay Thai Sifu Francis Fong - Wing Chun For more information and registration materials please check out our website at francisfongacademy.com or e-mail us at office@francisfongacademy.com. This is a rare opportunity to train with some of the top martial artists in one seminar. We look forward to seeing everyone in Atlanta. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:48:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #122 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.