From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #126 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 13 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 126 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Achilles injury eskrima: broken fingers and stuff eskrima: Pekit Tirsia Seminar & Teaching Methodology [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Kitchen" Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:25:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Achilles injury > From: "big Joe A." > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:00:47 PST > Subject: eskrima: Achilles injury > > Hi guys, > I was wondering if any of you could give me some advice and info on > achilles tendon injuries. I'm asking because my instructor ruptured his > achilles this saturday while we were sparring. I was wondering just how > serious of an injury this is and what kind of limitations he will have after > he recovers. I'm worried because he is 60 and was wondering if that would > greatly effect his recovery. i took him to an urgent care center where the > doc gave him the bad news and splinted him up. Amazingly enough he didn't > seem to be in much pain. I thought it was just a bad sprain but apparently > not. So he's off to see a specialist today and will likely be having > surgery. If any of you can give me more info about this type of injury and > ways to help him regain range of motion and strengthen it after he heals up > it would be much appreciated. Thanks for any help you guys can offer. > Your friend in training, > BIG Joe Joe, Well I am not a doctor but a recent patient for Achilles surgery (June 99). Personally, I am not worried about bio-mechanical injuries--only things like cancer. (I used to race motocross for 12 years so .... I might be a bit jaded.) However I am only 40, and I am sure the risks of surgery increase with age .... since he is your instructor, I will make a guess he is in better shape than most, at 60. Yes, it is 'serious' but I don't think he will have any limitations after surgery. The key word is surgery ..... casting for repair of the Achilles will leave a persons flexor/tensor strength about 60-70% of pre-injury. So if you want to continue an 'active' life-style the cut is the key. Discuss with the Bone Doc, that you are looking for the most aggressive surgical repair and physical therapy. After the surgery .... get that foot moving .... I started wiggling my foot up/down (it wouldn't go far) the evening I got home and keep it moving as much as you can stand. Forget Prescription pain-pills .... the Extra large Motrin should take care of the pain. For physical therapy (do a web search of Achilles, rupture, repair, physical therapy) and you will find a lot of links/articles) tell the doc and PT that you want the 'Bledsoe Boot' for the physical therapy. Bug the Doctor and PT with the following question, "When can I start putting weight on it?" (When they say, "today" ...*that* is a good day to have the Motrin around.) I found if you go in motivated to the PT sessions, it will motivate your PT to want to help you. Today, my range of motion is equal on both ankles. Strength is about 95% of pre-injury (but I have not concentrated on my 'at home' PT to get to 100%.) As to the pain at time of injury .... I really did not experience any great deal of discomfort. When it happened, I thought someone had stepped on my ankle, from behind. When I turn to look to see who had stepped on me ... hmmmm, no one there and gee, I don't feel like standing on my left leg and what was that loud snap I just heard? My calf muscle felt sore--like I had strained it but no other real pain. I don't think there are any nerves that are in the tendon area/sleeve that get torn with the tendon. I was standing in the 'boot' at 5 weeks swinging sticks. I was walking, slowly, again at 8 weeks. I was able to go back to full-speed Muay Thai (about 5 months) when I could do 10 single foot toe-raises on the repaired leg. It's all a matter of time and practice. Best wishes to your instructor and a speedy recovery. Michael Kitchen ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:19:47 -0500 Subject: eskrima: broken fingers and stuff Hey Crafty I here you have a boo boo on your finger. If you're smart you'll milk it for all its worth. My knee injury has already netted me a big screen T.V and a custom built Lazy Boy from the wife. Any ways the older I get the more amazed I am with how the body works, I had a bump on the the inside of my middle finger and every time I gripped the stick it would hurt more and more as the days went by. The Dr. ended up cutting a small slice and removing this pea size hard gristle looking thing. It ended up being a pellet from an injury back when I was 20 I guess the body finally decided it was time to get rid of it. On another note my knee which is still killing me and making me walk like Quassiemoto is slowly very slowly healing. It turns out that, it wasn't the leg hook that probably did it. After having my regular Dr. and on of the best surgeons in Michigan look at it and tell me there was nothing wrong with it. A Chiropractor seems to have found the cause. I was born with a flat foot on my left side. And some how my hips have gotten out of line,( probably leg locking ) and do to the over compensating, that I did not even know I was doing I managed to seriously strain the knee. Between Ultra sound treatments, orthotics in my left shoe and adjustment he seems to be helping, I just can't believe its taking so long. For you medically enhanced people out there I have what might sound like a weird question, I know what you're thinking weird from Rocky....Never!!! Any ways like I said I was born with a flat left foot, and I know that they say that many of the kidney points go thru the bottom of the feet. Could this have anything to do with my left kidney never growing much larger than a 5 year olds. The foot and kidney have never bothered me, about the only thing they kept me from doing was joining the military. As a matter of fact I never knew I had a small kidney until I was stabbed back in 10th grade and they checked to make sure nothing important was hit. Well I was just wondering I know most M.Ds don't believe in the meridian and accupresser stuff, but most of the guys here seem to be a little more open. Thanks in advance Rocky ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:39:09 EST Subject: eskrima: Pekit Tirsia Seminar & Teaching Methodology As they say seeing is believing. I had my first 1st hand experience with the= =20 Pekiti Tirsia system thanks to the able skills and lucid teaching style of=20 Guro Loki Jorgensen. I can=92t tell you how annoying it is to have fallen in= =20 love with another system of FMA=92s. (So many toys so little time.) Loki is=20 fluid, powerful, knowledgeable, and open: A great representative of the Dog=20 Brothers, Pekiti Tirsia, and the quality folks who share their insight on th= e=20 Eskrima Digest. From what I saw first hand, coupled with the writings of the Pekiti Tirsia=20 folks, and the numerous available videos I see a bright future ahead for the= =20 style. It=92s very clear to me that you guys (PT & DBMA) understand teaching= =20 and are still evolving this living art. Not to mention the shits for real. If I was to sum up my new fondness of the Pekiti Tirsia system into one poin= t=20 it would be economy of movement and structural alignment for the development= =20 of power (OK three). The back weighted structural aligned hip twisting=20 movement as explained in the seminar is one of the best examples I=92ve seen= in=20 FMA for quickly developing power that is generated from the whole body. I=20 know a lot of systems have specialized ways of developing power as well (I= =92ve=20 been practicing Serrada since 90 and Kali Ilustrisimo and Doblete Rapilon=20 since 93), but this was shown day one in a way that made it readily availabl= e=20 for all the workshops participants.=20 Participants also understood this was key in making the techniques work. The= =20 footwork for developing power also created the spatial relationships that=20 made the techniques and follow up work. Like I said other styles have this,=20 the question is are they clear about the distinctions so they can pass it on= =20 to the next generation practitioners. IMO at the initial stage of training Kali Ilustrisimo is more direct and=20 seemingly linear: a purely blade oriented art. Pekiti Tirsia develops the=20 power and IMO could have either a stick or blade focus. Serrada as I teach=20 and learned it is a highly refined system of teaching any beginner the in an= d=20 outs of stick distinctions in a hand crafted way from one person to another=20 (this doesn't mean I think it's the best teaching system.). This is just my=20 opinion of the initial stages of training. As a practitioner progresses thei= r=20 intent and focus can shift. IMHO Serrada and Kali Ilustrisimo encompass the=20 same body of techniques at the advance level with the difference being=20 structural alignment, mental intent, and weapon distinction based on the=20 weapon being used.=20 My training with Grandmaster Mena focused mostly on his largo game though he= =20 does have a wicked corto game and especially likes espada y daga.=20 One of the key areas I look for when checking out other training=20 methodologies is the key distinctions that they stress. Distinctions give a=20 student access to the skills and abilities of their instructors. Every style= =20 says they develop economy of movement, but how many break it down so that a=20 student can quickly and safely develop skills in that area? From my=20 experience each style has it=92s forte based on the fighting intent of the=20 systems creator. The creators developed movements to help their students=20 fight like them and defeat the enemies they encountered. Teaching methods=20 also reflect the culture in which the learning takes place. To answer Tuhan McGrath inquiry into progressive steps of teaching here are=20 mine: 1. I find out the student=92s reasons for learning. It increases my=20 effectiveness as an instructor when I know what a students background is and= =20 why and what they want to learn. People learn faster when you show them=20 something they can directly relate to and understand. I also better know thi= s=20 for accountability reasons (i.e. Knuckle headed students who cause trouble=20 with what they learn: I learned this the hard way). 2. I get a clear time commitment from them and create a realistic curriculum= =20 that matches their interest, goals, and objectives. A clear intent for the=20 student and instructor creates results and can open the door for other=20 learning opportunities. Depending on a student=92s intent I have sent studen= ts=20 to other systems to train: Chinese internal, Villabre-Largusa Kali, etc. 3. Once the training starts I use what I call sentences and use an=20 integrative team learning approach. I=92ll write more on this next time: wha= t=20 it is and where I got it. =20 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:07:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #126 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.