From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #139 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 20 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 139 In this issue: eskrima: level hips, good knees, etc. eskrima: Re: Question Regarding Females eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #138 eskrima: Re: Question regarding females eskrima: Women in Class [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SpiritWkr3@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:03:19 EST Subject: eskrima: level hips, good knees, etc. out from lurking.... Crafty- as a Physical Therapy student I have to say, I'm very impressed with your knowledge of the body and the balance therein. How did you come to learn about all that, the interplay between joints? I have to admit, as a practitioner one of my main concerns is keeping my knees etc. in good working order as I get older. Any thoughts or insights? To Brian: I'd like to hear more about "Bowen" as you described it, that method of bone manipulation.... feel free to respond by email if you like. - - Rick spiritwkr3@aol.com ------------------------------ From: DrunkenPanda@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:08:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Question Regarding Females <> Well...no. Women and men fall into many different categories and can't really be divided down gender lines. I know men who are MUCH better at auditory learning, while others look at stuff, and still others need to read it to get it into their heads. Same with the women I know. The fact is, everyone learns differently. As for using a stick, Doce Pares also teaches small blade techniques as well, which would be quite practical for women (though again, I know a LOT of women who aren't very practical at all). Is a blade practical? Well, it can open stuff like boxes and letters and that annoying wrapping on items from the store. It can also open an assailant, which seems a lot more practical than being raped and/or killed. Fact is, it's very difficult to say "women this" or "men that" because when it comes down to it, it just isn't that cut and dried. People have a tremendous amount of variety. Just try to get six people together and order a pizza. ;) Peace, Brian ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:27:32 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #138 In a message dated 3/20/00 7:48:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How much trouble should he be in? Well, I just don't know. My wife's cousin is going to prison for a long long time for jabbing a guy that fell and hit the sidewalk and died from the head injury. Crap happens and if you initiate it you better be prepared to pay the dues. >> An element that I often find is the amazement of people whom -- upon engaging in verbal/emotional/physical violence -- are shocked that it goes as far as it did. Recognize that most people who engage in violence do so "to win" (whatever that means to them) in the heat of the moment they make a snap decision to do something that they think will bring them "whatever." I can't tell you the exact numbers of people who upon being arrested have muttered in shock "I only meant to scare him with the gun" but it is disgustingly high. Many people believe that there is some sort of "glass ceiling" with violence. That is a point where the other person will suddenly give up, accept the aggressor's behavior and the incident will escalate no further. Literally this is getting the last lick in. Often this is an incrediably unrealistic expectation, for example you don't just walk up and hit someone in the head with a club and not expect repercussions. But at that emotionally charged moment, it makes perfect sense to the aggressor. What is amazing is how often the aggressor is shocked when things don't work out the way he/she planned and the other person retaliates or there are legal repercussions. The nephew of a good friend of ours lost the use of his right arm against a knifer. Thing was he knew the kid had a knife and HE attacked the kid anyway. He got his brachial nerves sliced for it. What is interesting to note however is how the nephew's story has changed over the last year. At first he was still mad and freely admitting that he instigated the fight. Now the story has changed to how the other guy attacked him and he was the innocent Little Bo Peep victim. Our friend told him "You started the fight. Just because you lost, doesn't mean you are the victim" His story changed as he realized the life-long repercussions of a stupid, impulsive decision in an emotionally charged moment. It isn't "what we mean to do" in this world that counts, it's what we do. Under this light, "I didn't mean to hit him that hard in the head with a club" really does come across as an assinine statement. ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:35:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Question regarding females Tell me Johaleen. Where do you get your facts from? Your experience with one woman? One, a stick can be anything. The move using a stick can also be applied by using your hand. Two, The women from my experiences are aggressive. They have more to prove than you. Three, I happen to be a visual learner so what does that make me? Four, I happen to be practical. Practicality is if I do not need a bleeping walking stick I might as well not take one as I tend to forget I have it and leave it someplace. Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:00:07 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Women in Class Meghan wrote: >This stuff may not sound very "PC"... but it is what works. I am a woman who >has trained almost exclusively with men. So I have no issue with the gender >of my teacher or workout partner. I have found that it is often the men who >are uncomfortable getting into mount position with me. So I crack a few >jokes to help diffuse the situation. The sad fact is that if a man cracked a >joke to a woman while in mount position, most times she would be offended. >So be careful about how the male partners interact with the female students Johnaleen wrote:" >Practicality is essential in a women's life most of the time. We have way >too many responcabiltys and have to make sure that everything fits in its >place. It's the way we are taught growing up. >Also women learn differently then men do. (plus a bunch of other stuff i agree with :) Crafty wrote : > Interesting question. Have you considered the possibility that women are > different and not as "interested in learning self-defense skills" as men? I don't think the possibility is so much whether women are "not as interested in learning self-defense skills" as men. I think it's more about whether it is being presented to them in a manner which fits the way women think. The tendency I have noticed in promoting MA, is to present it in two different manners to women and men, but these still *assume* particular views or perspectives. When men show up to check out the club, the emphasis to them is on the weapons systems, the power available in, for ex., the Thai kick, and generally that sort of thing. To women it was being presented as a "great way to get a workout, exercise, lose weight", and as self-defense. In a general way, this may work, but it is not enough to present it in different ways to get people to try it; as Johnaleen points out, men & women learn differently, and the instructors (preferably one of each gender if at all possible, or at least a female senior student) must be aware of and use that in teaching. As Meghan pointed out, those of us who have mostly trained with men do find it easier to practise certain techniques, and I also know that cracking a joke can relieve some awkwardness...and that sadly, men are more likely to get flak for it than a woman. (that's a whole other topic of discussion). I can generally sense which men I don't mind training with, especially for grappling and close-contact drills...there are certain men in class I *will not*, and my Sifu is completely aware of this. It's not because of anything they have done, I am just not comfortable with them because of a "creepy vibe". Trust your female students intuition, and don't push them to train co-ed until they are ready. Talk to the women who have stuck out the training, and see if they can formulate what made them stick with it. Talk to women who have expressed interest, but have not (yet) joined. Try to relate the training to concepts women can relate to, and make them aware that it is the *principles* for the self-defense that can be made to work for them, whether they have a "real" weapon (stick/knife etc) or a purse, book, umbrella, shoe etc. As a woman who hates grappling (but studies it anyway ;) and looooves the FMA, I would suggest that you start female students off with stuff that can keep them away from the ground (footwork, sweeps, elbows, guntings etc.) and get them used to going to the ground and taking others down. Then get senior female grapplers to show them some of the basic mount/guard stuff, and SPEAK to them to get a sense of their "comfort" before getting them to try it on men. i'm a bit all over the place with this...but whether superkeeners like myself and the other Roaring Girls, or just looking for something different, women are interested in the MA. We can learn so much from each other - men & women - which will enhance our knowledge and understanding of the arts. cheers, jocelyne ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:12:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #139 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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