From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #144 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 24 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 144 In this issue: eskrima: Car accident (Re: Tragischer Unfall (fwd)) eskrima: pkt and san miguel eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #143 eskrima: Car accident eskrima: Talking animals. eskrima: mortal wounds eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #143 eskrima: "Ultimate Fight" eskrima: Pa Herman [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ingo Bojak Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:49:06 +0100 (NFT) Subject: eskrima: Car accident (Re: Tragischer Unfall (fwd)) Yes, tragic but true. The following people died according to Frank Burczynski writing on DRSB: Pendekar Hermann Suwanda Shannon Suwanda Sang Min Chun Franziska Valena Holz Carsten Domke =20 I met Sang Min briefly once, some of you probably know more of them much better. They will all be missed. R.I.P. Ingo Below you find my quick and dirty translation of the AP newsflash posted also on DRSB, and the original (if you can read German...): "Five people have died in a frontal crash on highway A60." All five passengers of a car were killed in the night to Wednesday in a frontal crash with a heavy load truck in the Eifel region. As the police HQ Wittlich reports, the 31-year old driver of the car had tried to overtake a truck in front of him on a one-lane part of the A60 around 00.38 o'clock. This was attempted close to Pruem, and the Audi [car]=20 ended up smashing frontally into a Belgian heavy load truck travelling into the opposite direction. The passenges, three men and two women, died immediately. As police spokesman Ulrich Mueller reports, the heavy load truck pushed the car ahead of itself for 30 meters and finally rolled over it. In this process, the rental car was completely destroyed. The fire brigade had to cut the dead bodies out of the wreck. The truck driver had minor injuries and a shock. The victims of the car are according to police sources two 31-year old men and a 25-year old woman of German origin from Berlin, as well as a 30-year old US American woman and a=20 45-year old Indonesian, both living in the USA. The car was rented by the driver in Trier. The highway was totally blocked until 7 am for securing evidence and cleaning. The police estimates the property damage at DM 70,000.=20 - ---------- Original message ---------- Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:01:06 +0100 From: Frank Dietze Newsgroups: de.rec.sport.budo Subject: Re: Tragischer Unfall Hier ist die AP Meldung zu dieser tragischen Geschichte: F=FCnf Menschen bei Frontalzusammensto=DF auf A 60 get=F6tet [Pr=FCm (AP) 22.03.00] Alle f= =FCnf Insassen eines Personenwagens sind in der Nacht zum Mittwoch bei einem Frontalzusammensto=DF mit einem Schwerlaster in der Eifel get=F6tet worden. Wie die Polizeidirektion Wittlich berichtete, versuchte der 31-j=E4hrige Fahrer des Personenwagen gegen 00.38 Uhr auf einem einspurigen Abschnitt der A 60 einen Laster zu =FCberholen. Bei dem Man=F6ver stie=DF der Audi in= der N=E4he von Pr=FCm frontal mit einem entgegenkommenden belgischen Sattelschlepper zusammen. Die Insassen des Autos, drei M=E4nner und zwei Frauen, waren sofort tot. Wie Polizeisprecher Ulrich M=FCller berichtete, schob der Sattelschlepper den Personenwagen 30 Meter vor sich her und =FCberrollte den Audi anschlie=DFend. Dabei wurde der in M=FCnchen zugelass= ene Mietwagen v=F6llig zerst=F6rt. Die Feuerwehr musste die Leichen nach dem Unfall aus dem Wrack schneiden. Der Lastwagenfahrer erlitt leichte Verletzungen und einen Schock. Bei den Unfallopfern handelte es sich nach Polizeiangaben um zwei 31-j=E4hrige M=E4nner und eine 25-j=E4hrige Frau deutscher Nationalit=E4t aus Berlin sowie eine 30-j=E4hrige US-Amerikanerin und einen 45-j=E4hrigen Indonesier, beide wohnhaft in USA. Der Audi war von dem Fahrer in Trier angemietet worden. Die Autobahn war bis 07.00 Uhr morgens zur Spurensicherung und R=E4umung der Fahrbahn voll gesperrt. Die Polizei bezifferte den Sachschaden auf rund 70.000 Mark. ** ** Mein Beileid allen Trauernden. Frank, aus 'Nermberch' ------------------------------ From: "*" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:13:26 -0800 Subject: eskrima: pkt and san miguel tom bisio is arguably one of the best escrimador around. (he won the wekaf world championships after training only 3 years) - he is the 2nd highest ranking guy tuhon gaje ever made. he also is heir apparent to the san miguel thrown - mamoy canete train him - i have the pleasure of training with doug marcaida - who is a instructor in both- and they compliment each other greatly - Steve ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:26:00 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #143 > << Cheer's to Meghan - It's nice to see that one of the roaring girls has also > signed up for the gallery (nice photo, BTW is that the knife YOU always > carry in your pocket *grin*), your entry will be up in the next couple of > days. > >> > > Wouldn't you like to know how I carry _that_ one concealed. :) > > Yes please 8-) Jon... FWIW - I have noticed that the gallery pages can be a little slow to load on occasions, I'm in the middle of reoptimsing the graphics to try and speed things up a bit, but the problem appears to be with the people hosting the site (freenetname.co.uk) maybe there servers are just a little slow, please be patient... ------------------------------ From: ptbernd@gmx.de Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:30:23 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Car accident I want to speak out my condolence to the death of those 5. Although I have never met him personally Pendekar Suwanda was and still is one of the most important martial artist in our time. Not sadly enough, but his wife had to go with him. With Sang Min and Franziska two of the few martial artists of FMA in Germany went away, too. I know both of them. Sang Min was more than a Kali-comrade for me, we had good discussion about FMA, teachers and especially structures. Sang Min always went his own way, made his own system. I hope somebody is going to keep it. I am sure we all will keep them alive in our hearts. Bernd Giller and the Pekiti Tirsia Kali Group Hildesheim - Germany Our condolence to all the friends and families! ------------------------------ From: "Patrick Christian" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:07:57 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Talking animals. AnimalMac wrote yet again: The argument is unfounded yes. And *normal* people recognize the inherient flaw of the premise behind the logic. However, to the people who think that way, it makes perfect sense. Using John Bradshaw's idea of a "shame based personality" you can see to what an extreme these people have taken it. If my actions have the desired response, I take all the credit/glory. If they don't produce the desired results, then it is not my fault and I have no responsibility (read: blame) at all. The desired response?? You've got me confused now. Do you think logically or not?? I'm going to assume for giggles that you were playing the devil's advocate. Who is John Bradshaw and what is "shame based personality"? What were the desired actions that you brought forth in us all? Have you ever run for political office? Last, but not least. You need to clean up your neighborhood. Unless you take no blame in your apathy. Patrick N. Christian Inayan School of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN www.shoponthenet.com/Inayan ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:18:31 -0800 Subject: eskrima: mortal wounds Hi, After watching "Godfather II" and noticing that Vito completed his revenge on the Don with a central gut stab and left upward drag/saw, I was wondering if this liver slice was a popular yet accurate method for ensuring a slow but guaranteed death. The Don died within a few seconds, but is such a quick death the outcome of such a wound? The "Private Ryan" medic needed a few minutes to bleed to death of a liver wound. I can only offer pop movie footage in place of real experience. I don't have any real experience with death. Would anyone cite a reference book for such knowledge? A friend of mine mentioned that the Navy offered such a book to a restricted group of people. With such knowledge, I would change some of my defenses to protect internal organs instead of the usual academic "don't get hit or stabbed anywhere" defense. In Silat, I had a taste of drawing/redirecting hits to areas that can easily take the punishment. It was interesting to train in an environment in which you are trained to "eat" a hit and how to deal with it. ------------------------------ From: "Gary A. Hudgins" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:43:02 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #143 > eskrima: R.I.P. Herman Suwanda and wife > May peace be with you now that you are with God, Herman Suwanda. Having recently lost a brother, I can only say I know some of the pain that his family is experiancing. Even when we have never met people such as Guro Herman Suwanda, there is a connection through his reputation his tapes and student that he has taught that touches all who are interested in the martial arts and character developement. Gary Hudgins ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:14:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: "Ultimate Fight" Does anyone know if Blockbuster or if any on line stores are carrying that movie "Ultimate Fight"? Can't find it, yet. Thanks. Also there was a boo boo on my last post, it is "dueling", "not dualling". R.I.P. Herman Suwanda, Wife, and Students. Condolences to family, friends, and students. A great man must continue his journey. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:16:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pa Herman I had never met Herman Suwanda face to face, but I've had several students who also attended his seminars. They always spoke of him as a true gentleman and a great martial artist. Recently I had emailed him about helping me find an obscure bit of Indonesian music. Even though we had never met, he very graciously offered to look for it on his next trip back home. San Min Chun & Franziska Valena Holz attended some of my seminars in Germany. I remember them as nice people who went through hard training with a smile. Pa Herman's children have lost both parents on the same day. Please say a prayer for them. Perhaps those close to the families could let the list know where to send our condolences and if the families need any extra help to get them through this time. Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:23:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #144 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.