From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #147 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 25 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 147 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #146 eskrima: Single-Stick eskrima: Pa Herman eskrima: the right sticks for beginners eskrima: singlestick eskrima: R.I.P Pendikar Suwanda eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #146 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:16:31 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #146 In a message dated 03/24/2000 10:22:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Does anyone have any idea what type of stick-fighting they are referring=20 to? >> It may have been Bartitsu. This curiously-named art of Bartitsu was invente= d=20 by Edward William Barton-Wright, an English civil engineer whose travels=20 around the world fueled his interest in the arts of self-defense.=20 Barton-Wright was born in India, educated in Germany and France, and travele= d=20 to Spain Portugal, Egypt, and Japan as part of his occupation. In Tokyo, he= =20 studied jujutsu under Jigoro Kano, who would later be known as the founder o= f=20 modern Judo. In 1899 upon his return to England, Barton-Wright began=20 combining Savate, Single-Stick, Fencing, and Jujutsu in new ways and=20 formulated them into the method of self-defense he called Bartitsu.=20 To publicize his new art, Barton-Wright imported two Japanese Jujitsu expert= s=20 in 1899 who toured music halls taking on all comers and were a popular=20 attraction. They offered =A320, which was then equal to 10 weeks wages, to=20 anyone who could stay on their feet for 15 minutes. Bartitsu became a small=20 fad for a number of years, even the legendary Sherlock Holmes was said to=20 have studied it. Eventually, however, Barton-Wright and his fighters=20 disagreed and parted so, in 1905, he bought over the previous year's=20 All-Japan champion who easily defeated them.=20 Once the myth of invincibility of the fighters was destroyed their popularit= y=20 in the music halls declined. However by the time, Jujitsu had become well=20 known and a number of schools had been set up, as people were keen to learn=20 the techniques. Ironically, the Bartitsu fad was replaced with a Jujutsu boo= m=20 the was led by the two Japanese Jujutsu teachers that William Barton-Wright=20 had brought to England to help popularize his new art. Jujitsu in Britain=20 has continued from that time while maintaining connections with its roots in= =20 Japan, especially in the last 40 years.=20 ...or maybe not. Hope it helps. James Loriega ------------------------------ From: ylmdsx@worldnet.att.net Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:54:17 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Single-Stick > Does anyone have any idea what type of stick-fighting they are referring to? Single-Stick is an English form, mimicking saber use, mostly using 30 inch ash or oak sticks, with a wicker hand basket, like a basket hilt sword. They usually fight to first blood, usually skin split on the forehead. Bears slight similarity to Irish shillelagh in the preference of the head as a target, and has mostly fallen out of popularity. Stay Sharp, Joe S. ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:42:40 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Pa Herman Funny Story Marc, I was thinking the same thing. He did not have that much of a grappling backround but during some privates Jeff C and I tried to lock him choke him etc... all to fail even after he asked if we were ready. We did not get 4 seconds on him either. you guys must be pretty good to last that long. This went on until we gave up. He could also pull off the strangest stuff. I have worked his sleeper thing that Guro I like so much with him for about 15 minutes and could not get it even with him right there positioning my hands. He laughed. Two things could always put a smile on his face...my wife's strong coffee and the stupid things I could do that were definately not silat! Hopefully he can keep his memory alive in Munde Muda if a primary exponant of his style learned enough from him. There was so much in Munde Muda I do not know if that was possible. Another funny story that makes me laugh is the story he told when he first taught in America. He comes from a muslim area and you do not pass money to another with the right hand I think it was. So he tells the story about how he teaches his heart out and the thankful students accidentally disrespect him by paying him with the right hand! He learns the American custom or lack thereof and we learn the Muslim custom. We are all better for the experience and thank God he had a sence of humor. He was a great teacher who will be missed and a great guy to just have a beer with. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. - ----- Original Message ----- From: > A Sad Howl: > > I did not know Pkr. Herman well, but amongst my memories was the night he > let every and any one at the Inosanto Academy get a lock on him to their > satisfaction and then escaped from it. In my case I took an armbar (the one > you get to when you spin from mount ). He let me snug it up to my > satisfaction, asked me if I was ready, and then escaped with ease in about > four seconds. He did this with everyone there ------------------------------ From: Leo Salinel Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:12:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: the right sticks for beginners I just bought myself a "bahi" stick. Is it proper for a beginner to start immediately with bahi sticks instead of rattan sticks? And also, is it OK for a would be escrimador to study once a week or twice a month (every 15 days) with an instructor and then to practice with himself/a training buddy also studying the art, but not himself an instructor, everyday or as often as is possible? Thank you for your answers...... :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Tim Hoke Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:25:36 +0500 Subject: eskrima: singlestick >first passage indicates that he was into stick fighting. It doesn't describe >the type of stick fighting other then referring to it as singlestick. > > >Does anyone have any idea what type of stick-fighting they are referring to? > Singlestick is a traditional English pursuit, using hardwood sticks with basketry handguards. The object was "headbreaking" or "an inch of blood"--causing a bleeding scalp wound at least an inch long. I'm told it derives from backsword/cutlass/saber techniques. Doyle"s Sherlock Holmes was an accomplished singlesticker. That's all I can tell you--I've never done it myself. If you want to know more, go to onelist.com and search for the western MA list (westernarts). There are people there who can tell you more (plus correct any errors in what I've just told you!). Tim ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:32:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: R.I.P Pendikar Suwanda Grand Master Ted Buot, and myself would like to forward our deepest regrets to the students and family members of Pendikar Suwandas. The man may be gone but his spirit lives on through his family and students. May his next journey be as bright as this one was!! Guru Rocky S. Pasiwk ------------------------------ From: "arlan and angel sanford" Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:27:47 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #146 > relatively light sticks; when these kept splintering, they switched to > stouter ones. Thereafter, it was calcium that shattered instead of > cellulose; one especially sharp blow broke Roosevelt's right arm. "I have > had to temporarily stop singlestick with General Wood," the president > recorded sheepishly. He took up singlestick again once his bone mended, and > on off days he boxed with young military officers... Saturday, Mar. 25, 2000 ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA singlestick a slender, round stick of wood about 34 inches (slightly less than 1 m) long, thicker at one end than at the other, and used for attack and defense with the thicker end thrust through a cup-shaped hilt of basketwork to protect the hand. It originated as a practice sword in the 16th century and became popular in its own right for cudgel play and singlesticking in British cities and towns during the 18th century. Toward the end of the 18th century, play became very restricted. The players were placed near together and could not move their feet. Strokes were delivered with wrist action from a high, hanging guard position, the stick hand being held above the head. Blows on any part of the body above the waist were allowed, but all except those aimed at the head were employed only to gain openings, as each bout was decided only by a broken head--i.e., a cut on the head that drew blood. The sport declined in the late 19th century and, though briefly revived as practice for the sabre, was seldom practiced after the beginning of the 20th century. Arlan ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:27:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #147 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.