From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #151 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 27 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 151 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #148 eskrima: FW: single-stick et al eskrima: Germans and Single stick [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barnes" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:44:04 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #148 - ------------------------------ From: "Ken Grubb" Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:11:51 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Kamagong Sticks, and MORE Dave Fulton asked: > I'm trying to find some kamagong sticks. If you know of any sources, > please email me. Kris Cutlery carries sticks of kamagong, yakal, several other woods, plus = a number of bladed Filipino weapons. http://www.invis.com/kriscutlery/index.html=20 http://www.invis.com/kriscutlery/sandata.html=20 While not listed on the website, the sticks are in the catalog. The kampilan is among items not listed on the website, but in the catalog, and I'm extremely happy with mine. Cecil Quirino has a superb product. Ken Grubb Bellevue, WA my response I tried to order some Kamagong sticks from Kris Cutlery. I called a = couple of weeks ago and was told that they are currently out until = sometime this summer. This could have changed since I talked to them. I = will say also that their prices are about $10 cheaper than any other place = that I have found... They also have rattan, bloodwood and a few other = types of wood. Mike Barnes Inayan School of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: "Morgan" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:58:29 +0100 Subject: eskrima: FW: single-stick et al oops forgot site address!!!! http://www.cambridgemartialarts.freeserve.co.uk/ M - -----Original Message----- From: Morgan [mailto:maja2@medschl.cam.ac.uk] Sent: 27 March 2000 15:55 To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: single-stick et al Thought that i would send some words sent to me by one of my tutors...(in the attachment)... He doubtless will tell you to buy the book but contact him via the web site if you wish. Regards Morgan From: Ollie Batts [ollie_batts@hotmail.com] Sent: 27 March 2000 15:18 To: maja2@medschl.cam.ac.uk; ollie_batts@hotmail.com Dear Morgan, Many thanks for this. Both Julie and I researched English Singlestick and Cudgelling at the Bodleian Library in Oxford and the University Library in Cambridge over an eight-year period. Depending on the period, and what part of the part of the country, there were several variations of 'stick-play' in evidence: Quarter-staffs (at least three distinct styles); Singlesticks; Bavins; Wasters; Cudgelling; and, Backsticks - these were the major ones, although there may well have been other lesser-known regional styles. I won't bore you by going into the differences at this stage, however. One really excellent account of one form of the old-English contest is contained in Tom Brown's Schooldays, written by Thomas Hughes and first published in 1857. The book is still available today. My own copy is a Puffin Classic, which you are welcome to borrow - even if only to read the account of, what is called, a back-swording contest. This takes place at the annual veast (a word once used to describe a local festival and feast). These types of events were common in England in those days. In fact, some still exist - in places like the Cotswolds - although I haven't yet visited any to see if they still have cudgelling contests! The truth is that native singlestick (as against Filipino Eskrima, or any of the oriental styles) existed in this country right up until just before the second world war, although it was then practised mainly by military people. Indeed, I have a photocopy of the 1935-36 Army & Navy Stores Limited catalogue (they were at situated at 105 Victoria Street in London). Goods advertised for sale included: Ash Sticks at 4 shillings (20p) per dozen; Wicker Hilts at 15 shillings (75p) per dozen; Cane Hilts at 17 shillings (85p) per dozen; and Singlestick Helmets (cane-padded and bound with leatherette and selvyt lined) at 27 shillings (£1.35p) per pair. In the old days, if you wanted to compete you 'tossed your cap into the ring' to let everyone know. Some competitors travelled the length and breadth of the country to take part in such events. These, almost professional competitors, were 'pot-hunters' - so-called after the practise of passing round the wicker hilts(more commonly known as 'pots'), amongst the spectators, after each match. As far as La Canne is concerned, the method of preparation and delivery is quite different to any of the English styles. Although the Great Stick does have some similarity to French Baton. Irish 'Shillalah' was different again, in-as-much that one had to first knock off the opponent's top hat before one was allowed to actually strike any part of the opponent's body or head. There is much more that I could say but, as I am eventually hoping to write a book containing this further information, I don't see why I should give away eight years of hard-earned research material to those who simply speculate on what they presume went on! By all means pass on the above, to those in this list, if you wish. Ollie ------------------------------ From: ylmdsx@worldnet.att.net Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:13:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Germans and Single stick > > To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > > See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four > years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com > > Mabuhay ang eskrima! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: jimms@pipeline.com > > Regarding the German menseur(sp?) it is not a matter of two men with no > skill trying to gain scars. Rather, it was and is a test of courage and > character with a great deal of skill and stamina needed to participate. I > would recommend "The Secret History of the Sword" for reference. Since these are opinions, and as such, unable to be truly proved, I merely suggest we agree to diasgree. As far as references, I suggest that anyone interested read all you can about eye-witness accounts from the period, by the society members, and those around them inlcuding their doctors. I also suggest a little background knowledge in rites of passage in anthropology, as well as scars and their implications in psychology. A good start for the latter would be the Psychology Today article put out within the past year about scars. Sorry I can't be more specific, that's all I can recall. As a side note, I do believe that Western/European martial forms can be quite effective. The toughest opponent I ever stick fought had a good base in fencing, including sabre. That, and his natural speed earned me many a good whack, along with a bit more respect for thrusts, where a talented person uses the point of their stick as a battering ram to focus all their weight and force behind. Stay Sharp, Joe S. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:28:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #151 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.