From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #166 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 5 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 166 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #165 eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #164 eskrima: Brain Damaged Animal eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #165 eskrima: Footwork and Angling examples eskrima: Kali in Chicago Events eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #164 eskrima: Thank you - tough 90 year old eskrima: Contacts in Delaware eskrima: Back to Normal ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DrunkenPanda@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:46:37 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #165 <> Along with eskrima (doce pares) I study chen style taijiquan, which makes heavy use of the shoulders as weapons. Excellent weapon too, especially if combined with a little footwork. No one ever expects them, either. Brian ~ Clawing at the dashboard of life and screaming like a cheerleader ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:38:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: (no subject) Hi my name is Cory , I am curious if anyone knows any instructors in the art of JKD or Filipino Kali/Eskrima in the Fort Wayne, Ind. area? I have trained in these arts in Indianapolis In. about 13 yrs ago under Guru Bruce Ogle and I have no idea what ever happend to him. I left for the Military and He dissapeared when I got back. I dont know where he moved to. But their is no Filipino arts instructor or JKD instructor in or around my area that im aware of. the closest I know of is in Chicago, ILL or Toledo OH./ Dayton OH. Wich all of these are well over 150 miles away 1 way. So Im curious if anyone here has or knows of anyone who teaches these arts in the Fort Wayne, IN area be it privatley or just on a hush type thing cause like I said their is no listed schools in this area. If u have any info feel free to email me. thanks Stickfighter27@cs.com ------------------------------ From: Jean-Yves PERNOT Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:52:29 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #164 I've seen what Mike Inay can do with a big stick during some seminars. I know a few people that are *very* interested in the largo mano video. Could the "possibly" become a "certainly"? Jean-Yves Pernot Dieter Knuttel wrote: >During this trip, I will produce probably 3 new videos with Suro Inay, covering >reactive knife, nerve techniques and possibly also larga mano. ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:54:16 EDT Subject: eskrima: Brain Damaged Animal Last week someone inquired about me coming to England. Thing is I forgot who. Drop me a line, we're trying to set something up animal ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Camins" Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:18:22 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #165 I too attended the Sonny Umpad seminar and was extremely impressed! I would like to thank Elrick for posting the seminar on this list. It was a great seminar all together...everyone there was great! I would recommend that if you ever get a chance to go to a Sonny Umpad Seminar...just do it! You won't be disappointed! Joji - ------------------------------ From: "Kali" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:42:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Sonny Umpad Seminar Hi all, I'm a long time lurker. I went to the Sonny Umpad seminar that was advertised here last week and I must say I was very impressed. It was probably the best display of Filipino empty hands and knife work I have ever seen. If you have the opportunity to go to one of his seminars then I promise you that it will be well worth your time. For the person looking for an instructor in Scottsdale, Arizona: "There was a guy named Paul Morrero in Scottsdale. He taught Mande Muda (and maybe some other things as well). I met him at a seminar with Herman Suwanda. He seemed very knowledgeable and very practical. I don't know if he's still teaching. If you can find him, though, he'd be worth checking out." If you get the chance to train under Paul Marrero then you should take it. He doesn't teach much to the public anymore but you might be lucky. There is also a few other silat and escrima instructors there that are very good. Email me privately and I can see if I can give you the contact information. Respectfully Ingmund "It was not well to drive men into final corners; at those moments they could all develop teeth and claws." Stephen Crane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:58:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Footwork and Angling examples - --part1_a5.41539b7.261bdba8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Response to a personal email: << The key difference from my perspective is the emphasis on footwork flow drills and structural alignment angling from day one in Umpad's teaching method. From what I have seen, the Inosanto blend blade work puts the initial emphasis on weapon and hand coordination. Umpad's teaching method, while also having a seminar (group teaching) format, gets refined via one-to-one private instruction. It's in his private instruction that many of his spatial and angling relationship gems come forth. I base this assertion on what I've seen in his private students/instructors. IMO the forte of his system are the drills and distinctions he has around evading, angling, and footwork. .....I am having a difficult time picturing this special emphasis on angling. I get a mental picture of the Corto Cadena student working to position himself just off of the opponent's shoulders, what my kenjutsu sensei used to call the "dead side." I bet the footwork drills are real eye-openers! I do not expect a long discourse over the Internet, but I was just looking for an article or something to see if I am on the right track. >> I would say that you are on the right track. But then every art (almost) talks about going to the outside. In Pekiti Tirsia I know they also have exercises around this. I was especially impressed with the way they move in and out of Corto to largo range for espada y daga and live hand stick work. One way of looking at it (in the offensive realm) is to deliver a right lead forward hit to the left side of your opponents shoulder or head (Most systems number 1). With one step and/or somebody mechanics this can become a number two (back hand hit to your opponents right side). Once again I believe all complete weapon systems have this, the question is when do they teach it and how well do they teach it. PT teaches this day one from what I have seen and they do a great job (I'm referring to the Lionheart video with Tuhan McGrath); most Serrada practitioners would call this picking and reserve this for advance training. Another example from Serrada: Imagine you have a single stick in your right hand but you are in a left lead. Your stick is in an abierta or open position (possibly resting on or in front of your right shoulder). Where ever your next step is placed is the fulcrum point for all future movement. Now assuming you have a nice opponent who won't move you could do one of three things in a basic linear sense: 1) You could step back, reverting to a right lead and largo range 2) You could bring your right foot to the front and enter corto range 3) You could bring your right foot next to your left and then bring your left foot back to enter the medio range. Stepping out on angles also open up new opportunities. I also exchanged footwork concepts with Nikko DeLozada an Olympic level Karate and Tae Kwon Do competitor and found many of the same spatial distinctions. Sonny just has a great way of teaching these things for blade work. I think other key areas for movement are balance, being able distinguish weight transfer, being able to move ones center of balance through movement, rotation of the pelvis on the femur(s), and the ability to move the foot in any direction and rotate the foot (for weight, power, or movement transfer). From what I have seen the weapon arts that this teach this best are Villabre-Largusa Kali, Pekiti Tirsia Kali, Corto Cadena Eskrima (Sonny Umpad), Lapunti Arnis and the Moro Moro system of Andy Abrien from Samar. You can also find great examples of this for empty hand application in Silat, Capoeira, Bagua, some Taiji and Hsing-I. I think it's also important to pass on these movement distinctions in a way that doesn't do undue stress on the knees. I'd be interested to see what others could add to this thread. Elrik Jundis Director School of Pilipino Martial Arts - --part1_a5.41539b7.261bdba8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: JLHOnami@aol.com From: JLHOnami@aol.com Full-name: JLHOnami Message-ID: <7c.3bd0d47.261bc704@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:30:28 EDT Subject: A note about an Escrima-Digest posting... To: EGJundis@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Hi! My name is Jeff Harris, a student of Modern Arnis, and I have a question about one of your E-D postings. In there you made the comment.... The key difference from my perspective is the emphasis on footwork flow drills and structural alignment angling from day one in Umpad's teaching method. From what I have seen, the Inosanto blend blade work puts the initial emphasis on weapon and hand coordination. Umpad's teaching method, while also having a seminar (group teaching) format, gets refined via one-to-one private instruction. It's in his private instruction that many of his spatial and angling relationship gems come forth. I base this assertion on what I've seen in his private students/instructors. IMO the forte of his system are the drills and distinctions he has around evading, angling, and footwork. .....I am having a difficult time picturing this special emphasis on angling. I get a mental picture of the Corto Cadena student working to position himself just off of the opponent's shoulders, what my kenjutsu sensei used to call the "dead side". I bet the footwork drills are real eye-openers! I do not expect a long discourse over the internet, but I was just looking for an article or something to see if I am on the right track. Anyway, thanx for your time! Jeff Jeffery (Jeff) Harris JLHOnami@aol.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin" - --part1_a5.41539b7.261bdba8_boundary-- ------------------------------ From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:19:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Kali in Chicago Events The Filipino Kali-Eskrima Academy of Chicago is proud to announce their upcoming events Wed April 5- Demo at Barat College 7pm- Lake Forest, IL Wed April 12- Seminar with Guro Dave Mah of Cabales Serrada Eskrima. May 13-14 Tenative- Seminar with Gat Puno Abon Baet. May 20-21- Demo @ Skokie Festival of Cultures June 9- Seminar with Suro Mike Inay July 15-16- Seminar with Onedia Healthworks, Green Bay, Wisconsin, featuring Suro MIke Inay, Maha Guro Nate Defensor, and others Sept 16-17- Annual retreat in Dodgeville, WI (West of Madison), featuring Maha Guro Nate Defensor. Special guest instructor, Gat Puno Abon Baet of the Garimot system. For further information, e-mail Sidney525@aol.com or check the website www.kalieskrima.com ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey H Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:25:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #164 Try Rick Faye's Minnesota Kali Group in Minneapolis. It's not too far to go for good FMA. I know people who (for employment) commute from St. Cloud to Minneapolis. See the web site at www.mnkali.com - --jeffreyh Scott Smith wrote: From: "Scott Smith" Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:14:04 GMT Subject: eskrima: MN? I was wondering if anyone knew of or about anywhere in St. Cloud, MN that teaches FMA or anything similar. I've trained for about a year and am moving to St. Cloud. I wold be grateful for any help anyone can offer. Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:32:41 EDT Subject: eskrima: Thank you - tough 90 year old Thank you to everyone for the well wishes for my grandfather, both private and on the lists. He has so far proved all of the doctors wrong. This last Friday he was able to return to Helena from Billings, 9 days after the surgery. He is in the transitional care unit now, and they say if he keeps going like he is, he may be able to go home in two or three weeks. He's doing a great job of beating the odds, so I hope he continues! Thanks again, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Philipp Hammer Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:08:23 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Contacts in Delaware Hi , I'm looking for a FMA school in Delaware, Newark, USA I'm a student from Aachen (Germany). Are there any FMA schools in this area you could recommend. I'm especially interested in all filipino and indonesien art. If anyone could recommend a school - please let me know. Thanks Philipp Philipp.Hammer@post.rwth-aachen.de ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Back to Normal Hello from Normal, Illinois... Yes, Normal, Illinois... :) Ray ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #166 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.