From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #176 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 13 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 176 In this issue: eskrima: Teachers in SoCal eskrima: Matt Thornton eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #175 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #175 eskrima: Power question [none] eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #175 eskrima: FMA in Paris, France [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Ellner Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:16:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Teachers in SoCal One of the members of the WSDList which I administer is looking for good Eskrima in Southern California, particularly in Orange County. Whom would you guys recommend? Todd ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Bikendova" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:00:27 GMT Subject: eskrima: Matt Thornton What do people out there think of Matt Thornton. He has some very strong ideas, and I believe good ones, on FMA/JKD. Jerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven C. Drape" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #175 >Barry wrote: >> Since things are kinda slow here on the ED id like to ask a question. >> Would espada e daga be considered for lack of a better term "the highest >> levels" or most important in most Escrima/Kali/Arnis systems. If so why? I wouldn't comment on higher or lower level, because particular systems focus on different things. Some might introduce EyD earlier than others, etc. I would suggest, however, that espada y daga (sword and dagger) is not generally taught in most schools today. Most systems teach olisi y baraw(daga), which is stick and dagger. These are completely different systems- EyD is a longer range art, where the focus is on the sword and the dagger is used in a back-up role, or as a means of last resort. If your EyD system uses a lot of dagger techniques while ignoring the sword, or every move closes in to dagger range, then it is not an EyD system. When you have two+ feet of pointy, sharpened steel in one hand and up to a foot of pointy, sharpened steel in the other, closing techniques where the dagger is the focus are uncommon, to say the least. It is a stick and dagger system that uses these types of techniques. Stick and dagger is a much closer range art, where the stick is used to prepare the way for the blade to be used at close quarters. In many styles, the stick is used to tie up or lock the opponent's two arms/weapons to allow the finishing thrust. It's very difficult to do that with 4 blades occupying the same general space! Most systems today teach stick and dagger and call it sword and dagger, but what they are teaching would not be useable for a real sword and dagger encounter. Under these conditions then, maybe EyD would be a higher level, just because most systems don't teach it. Steve ____________________________________________ Service Brought To You By http://WWW.DWP.NET ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:00:26 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #175 So historically speaking espada e daga would be considered "most important" for combat? If one could pull off and fight with E&D he would likley be an excellant all round Filipino Warrior? Barry ------------------------------ From: Kaesa@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:25:26 EDT Subject: eskrima: Power question Hello, I was wondering what the differences are between generating hitting power from the hips, as opposed to generating power like an internal stylist, from the waist. A teacher of mine was demonstrating some of it to me, and it felt like there was more "oomph" when he was using his waist, in hitting with fists/sticks, and with throws. Does anyone have any experience with both? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ From: "Jason M. Silverman" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:18:28 -0400 Subject: [none] Greetings All~ Just wanted to let everyone know that we have updated our website with some very interesting, informative articles. Take a look at the articles page of http://home.earthlink.net/~grappler/ . Also, I'd like to second the Kudos thrown out by Chris Herrman regarding the Doce Pares Eskrima seminar taught by Master Dong Cuesta. Though I'm a bit partial, being his student, I must say that his seminars are always a blast. It's a nice balance of hard work and fun. For those out there who have yet to experience Doce Pares as taught by either GM Diony Canete or Master Cuesta, you owe it to yourself to do so....you won't be disappointed! All the best, Jason M. Silverman Executive Edge Martial Development Universe Gym of North Quincy 31 Newport Avenue North Quincy, Ma 02171 (617) 472-0444 ------------------------------ From: MAllen5904@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:18:07 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #175 In a message dated 4/12/00 8:11:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Well, I can't really say that it's the most important but in my opinion I > think that its one of the most verstatile. I sparred with someone using the > style and he showed me a that you the the movements are the same for empty > hands. Chris, I loved your response and feel you hit nailed it right on. First of all, we don't live in a society where everyone runs around carrying swords, knives and sticks in their belts. In picking up the news paper some mornings it may sometimes seem like we do : ) Anyhow, the importance of sword and dagger or stick and dagger would be placed in about the same level as weaving drills, sumbrada, tapi-tapi or any other drill that gets the Alive hand into or involved in a fight vs. glued to one's chest. As another put it prior to your response, it helps in you empty hand fighting. For example, if you're fighting with a reverse grip(knife) right hand lead and someone comes in with a left handed stab: say you cleared with a downward sweep and your opponent threw a right. You'd block, grab the right arm with your left, stab or cut the bicep pass the arm for a pin and arm bar, choke or take down. Throw the knives away and the stabbing or slicing of the bicep would be replaced with a hammer fist and the scissoring of your opponent's hand between your wrist and knife, for the arm bar, takedown or even a reverse guillotine choke, is replaced by a simple grab. Someone like GM Remy Presas would put it more simply, "No Difference, see! " as he would put you through some form of Jujitsu hell. You have to love how those that brought their art to our country like to make their point : ) Mallen ------------------------------ From: "Kevin M. Blake" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:28:11 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMA in Paris, France A buddy and former training partner, Roland Lee, has moved to Paris, France and would like to find a person or persons to train with. Roland is a student of Sayoc Kali and also has experience in Tai Chi and BJJ. He's currently studying judo in Paris, but would like to continue training his FMA. If anyone is looking for a training partner, or knows someone looking for a training partner, in Paris or the outlying suburbs, kindly contact Roland at Roland.Lee@onera.fr Thanks, KMB ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #176 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.