From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #180 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 15 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 180 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #178 eskrima: Teaching eskrima: Panantukan or Sinumbagay?? eskrima: Tacosa Serrada Eskrima Update [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:20:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #178 In a message dated 4/14/00 10:01:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have never in my entire life heard any old Chinese master claim this. Only certain people claimed the old Chinese master claimed this because they wanted to politic around and get popular. Ask for proof which masters said it and forward that accusation to the masters, advising to contact their lawyer for a bit of 'discussion'. >> Well as a matter of fact, Ma Yueh Liang, inheritor of the Wu Chien Chuan style says in his Push Hands book that in fact Pengjin is the basis of all other jin and must be present in every movement. BTW the one you refer to is from Colorado. Buddy ------------------------------ From: ricklind@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:24:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Teaching Chad edited part of my comments regarding Matt Thornton: >>>I'm going to rip off some of his "clinch" material for my class >>>tonight. and then asked: >What do people on the digest think of this? I have got to say that >some of my material that I teach is based off of some Pekiti Tirsia and >some DB material and some Lameco. I don't teach any "style" or system, >just "The Philippine Fighting Arts". I was taught 3 "styles" named >after my instructors father and two uncles all lumped into one. I >don't take credit for teachi9ng different material that I was not >"taught", just show it is effective. I was taught to use it >effectively. I know in some eyes it would be "wrong" because by just >seeing someone do somthing, you may sometimes miss on the various >"meanings" of what was done, but I have an analytical mind and like to >work on it if I like it. Also, there is somthing else I'll post when I >have time, but I'm in a rush. Looking forward to replies. At first when I read Chad's comments I thought he was disapproving, then when I re read them I concluded he's really saying that he too borrows from others and is asking for general comments regarding teaching "others" material (Is that more or less right, Chad?). Anyone who studies or teaches is inevitably exposed to a number of different ways of learning or doing things. That influence then spills over into what we teach others. Along the way I've been influenced by many including Terry Grant, Thomas Cruse, Paul Vunak, Guro Dan Inosanto, Punong Guro Edgar Sulite, Fabio Santos, Roy Harris, Matt Thornton, and others. (This doesn't mean I've been a particularly able or apt student, just that I've been fortunate to train with some good people). I think that just as it's inevitable to show those influences it's important to attribute, to give credit, for what we've received along the way. Heck, if we didn't teach "other peoples" material none of us would teach anything since we all got what we know from somewhere! We just might as well let students and training partners know where we got it. As a general rule, I like to ask permission to teach material that comes largely from someone else, if at all possible. Fortunately no one has said "no" yet 8^) In Matt's case, I really like the focus he has on practical-ness, both in his teaching methods and in his fighting methods. He is a very bright, talented and interesting guy who has changed tremendously over the years and yet has maintained a practical focus all the way along. His clinch stuff is real nice; he's borrowed some Greco-Roman stuff from Randy Couture that fits real nice with the Dumog and head control from Kali. The pommeling drills are an interesting variation of trapping range drills and really give me trouble--lots to problem solve. Matt's stuff fills in a lot of holes in that range. Regards, Rick Lindquist ------------------------------ From: tcsno@mciworld.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:35:17 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Panantukan or Sinumbagay?? 0100,0100,0100I have heard these two terms tossed around--- Panantukan(pugilism?) and simumbagay. My question is, has anyone sat thru a seminar with Guru Inosanto where he strictly teaches boxing angles of panantukan, then puts kerambit(cock spurs) or pushdaggers in his hands to show why the parrying is varied vs western or euro boxing styles. Can the sportive boxing punches follow into destructions with and without short blades, then to locking with blade awareness rather than the sterilized "lock-flows" all the seminar gang do?? What name is used to label this system of boxing(w/forearms and elbows), implimenting short blades on the SAME angles, then destructions, locking, takedowns, and follow ups that assume the guy may be holding the blade(taped to his hand or finger through kerambits ring) as he hits the deck?? I just want to see this in one tight package rather than "pull out the focus mitts!!!!!", then, "Drop the mitts, and pick up the 12 inch wooden daggers!!!". I was kind of disappointed with Ted Lucaylucay's Unique Production Panantukan tape. He was a good communicator, but the tape could have contained alot more. Any suggestions would be really appreciated! Thanks, Tom Furman ------------------------------ From: serrada Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: eskrima: Tacosa Serrada Eskrima Update Greetings to all, This is to inform you that our Master's pages have been updated again. There is now a new page where Jimmy describes his introduction to Angel Cabales and the art of Escrima. peace, tom - -- The Art of Tacosa Serrada Eskrima http://www.serrada.de/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #180 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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