From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #183 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 18 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 183 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #178 eskrima: Re: Credit due eskrima: Double stick training eskrima: Knees, Shoe Inserts (Orthotics), + eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #182 eskrima: Stockton Escrima [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:18:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #178 Crafty said: > is based around single stick. A ways back there was a thread about single > vs double and one of the points I made on behalf of double was about > changing leads and the importance of developing both sides for reasons of > body symmetry to prevent postural problems. Someone rejoined with a > what-about-boxing-it-doesn't-change-leads question to which the answer was > that in boxing both hands get lots of work. The same applies here too-- in > L&S both hands get work. This becomes fully so the longer the short. Guro > I points out that the short was often 18-21 inches or so which is much > longer than the training knives that most of us use. Combined with a more > square posture vis the opponent/training partner, this really makes a > difference. Thanks to Doc Fung for drawing my attention to this point. > > I agree with the value of L&S for empty hand training I totally agree with Crafty but also we have had some of the same teachers. In regards to L&S or E&D it is all the same to me even when it is just a long or 2 sticks of equal length. The fun comes in when the short side comes into play. Granted if the opertunity arises the safer long should be used as it is always prudent to strike from out of range. However, it is way more fun to angle and still be in his range but nulify his reposte by zoning while sticking in the short side. It definately is more of an adrenaline rush and takes more skill to lure one with the long and nail him with the short. As the level of the opponant increases the strategy of the game must get better. Sometimes you checkmate with your queen and sometimes you end with your knight that is what makes the game exciting. If you don't want excitement you stay out of South Central L.A.. Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Credit due Actually, credit due goes to a few more individuals: Kalani(he doesn't know it till now) taught me how to deal with pressure way back in the day. James and Stuart: These are the guys that I "learned" how to apply my art in "real time". ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:40:28 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Double stick training When introducing students to the double baston, I now have started to teach far more strategically than I ever thought of before. I have asked my instructors who look at me as if I was mad and they probably are quite right. Let me throw this at you. When I travel around I see people in the UK in general doing the stick drills commonly known as heaven/heaven meets earth or standard/earth six count. You know the ones which are initially chambered under the arm and follow through, follow through, retract. It's just that when you ask people about double stick they all seem to show that. To be fair this is mainly in the cross trainers group who maybe don't explore the fma as much as others, and im probably as guilty as them. Anyway, I have really been putting in the effort to teach the drills that initiate from an open position (both sticks chambered on their respective forehand sides) - Ikis, Cob cob........Working these and with the permutations created by the footwork it is this basis before I introduce the La Coste seven count. This is the introduction before I then go into the heaven series as mentioned above. In the end we have a basic series which runs as one whole incorporating: Ikis, cob cob, H6/Standard6/E6, wing 6, roof 6, umbrella 6,U8, abaniko 6, Villabraille 8 & 10 count. I just wonder if anyone else has a way in which they introduce certain drills first? Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill but how many people do you see flail double stick in the same way? I hope that my approach will help the student appreciate the fact that these are only patterns encourage to enhance the body mechanics. I believe it was Rick Faye who said that you should always have a couple of patterns to fall back onto when necessary in a fight, otherwise too much importance on patterns isn't useful. For those who stick fight, I believe there are one or two of you in this illustrious company ; ) , how much of your actual fight is using actual patterns. Would this increase or decrease if you were losing, back peddling, or tiring? Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 18 Apr 00 08:59:22 CDT Subject: eskrima: Knees, Shoe Inserts (Orthotics), + Greetings... I was just catching up on some reading, old ED mailings, and noticed the = good advice that Pat Davies had given re: Rocky's knee and knees in general. = What he had to say follows exactly what I was saying re: what aspects of our structure and biomechanics make the greates, most immediate, perhaps most= damaging effects on knee structure and function. The dynamics of the fee= t can make or mess up your knees. If there are any structural problems causing= overpronation, etc., orthotics (shoe inserts) can make a big difference i= n decreasing the effects on the knee. To convince yourself of how drastica= lly changes in the feet can affect your knees, try training in flat shoes for= awhile, then train in running shoes. Your knees will complain very quick= ly. = For years now, I always wear -flat- shoes. Training: wrestling shoes. A= t work: Birkenstock shoes (not the sandals), currently searching for other= brands of dress'casual shoes that are level/flat. Elevation of the heel = is a bad idea, training or not, because it throws off the natural dynamics of = the foot and their interplay with the dynamics of the rest of our skeletal structure. Closing, it's also very important to wear shoes that allow th= e feet to flex naturally. A lot of the clunky shoes pushed to today's athl= etes do not allow the feet to move as they were designed to move. A particula= rly bad part of this is the cramping of the toes, i.e., the shoes are not sha= ped like feet! Whassup wit dat?!?!?!? The first thing that I do when I buy = a pair of wrestling shoes is put in the shoe stretchers :-) No overlapped = toes, bunions, corns, etc. ... and the feet will flex like wearing a glove. Th= e Russians are marketing a suede grappler's shoe which has a lot of promise= , but like wrestling shoes it is narrow. Some may say "Oh, but they'll stretch= to fit your feet." In the meantime your feet will be cramped to fit the sho= e ... damaged. Better to make the shoe cover the foot, not constrain it. MHO = of course. Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:52:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #182 In a message dated 4/17/00 4:28:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My goal is not to teach a style or promote people. My goal is to help people learn how to effectively fight for sport or combat using whatever means are at their hands. >> An admirable goal...if more "teachers" followed your lead, there would be a lot less bickering and style prejudice. As teachers we are responsible first and foremost to fulfill the need that brought students to us in the first place...the need for effective self-defense; not a certificate, not a belt or amulet, but realistic, reliable self-defense. The rest of the stuff becomes icing on the cake once the first need is addressed and met. Kim ------------------------------ From: David Reyes Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:59:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Stockton Escrima An article from todays Stockton Record, April 18, 2000 on the Stockton Escrima groups. This article will probably appear for the next 24 hours only. Sige, David Reyes~ http://www.recordnet.com/daily/sports/sportsextra/xtra.html ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #183 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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