Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 20 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 186 In this issue: eskrima: Re: weight training eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #185 eskrima: Stickfighting, patterns, etc. eskrima: Double trouble eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #184 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:23:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: weight training As many of you know, I have been certified by the ISSA as a fitness trainer and as a specialist in martial arts conditioning. I am for weight training to help your martial art training, as well as for general fitness. Weight training has it's place in any sport/fitness program. (While I don't do martial arts for sport any more, I still feel the weight training helps with my HKD, and I know the weight training aided me in real self-defense situations I have been in.) Anyway, I posted about this new book by Charles Staley a while back, and at that time it was not released yet. It is now available, and I think it would be a good addition to any martial art library. I have not read it yet, but plan on it. Charles wrote the ISSA's Specialist in Martial Arts Conditioning text, and many magazine articles, so I know he knows his stuff. I have learned from and agree to much of what he has written. I look forward to learning from this book, using it's advice to help my training, and to use it as a reference to a project I am working on. Here is some information on the book. You can order the book or contact Charles about it at the web site at the end. - Alain "The Science of Martial Arts Training" Book Highlights: * A thorough treatment of training principles and how they apply to the training of athletes with various levels of experience. * A look at how conditioning and skills training should be integrated throughout the training cycle. * An overview of the various motor abilities needed by martial artists and how they can be developed. * An exhaustive look at the role of strength training in the development of martial artists, including various forms of strength and the important role played by stabilizers and antagonists. * A valuable section of professional resources. * A state-of-the-art treatise on flexibility development and assessment, including velocity specific flexibility training and the role of temperature and humidity on range of motion. * A thorough look at the application of plyometrics and Olympic lifting modifications. * A comprehensive discussion of injury prevention and management, including the role of proper training in injury prevention. * The Max Jones Quadrathelon: Assessing your speed strength capacity. * Cutting edge nutritional guidelines for performance athletes, including the application of periodization to nutrition. * A new look at skills development, including Charles Staley's unique evaluation inventory system (first revealed in Martial Arts Training magazine in 1993). 184 Pages Over 200 photos and dozens of tables and illustrations Price: $19.95 Table of Contents Introduction Chapter 1: Foundation: Principles of Sport Training Chapter 2: Planning: Periodization of Training Chapter 3: Physical Preparation: Muscle Assessment and Training Chapter 4: Nutritional Support for Training Chapter 5: Prevention and Management of Injuries Chapter 6: Technical and Tactical Preparation Chapter 7: Psychological Preparation: Competition Day Resources References Index About the Author Charles Staley Myo Dynamics (800) 519-2492 http://www.myodynamics.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven C. Drape" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #185 >.... I still feel woefully inadequate with two sticks, >or for that matter, EyD. I feel that though many schools teach double very >early, often first, teaching how to actually USE it effectively as more than >simply an overwhelming blur is significantly more difficult. I think we've taked about this topic in years past, but USING double sticks is not really why people train with two sticks. I've spent the last 6-7 years in the Philippines, travelling around looking for eskrima practitioners- talking, training, comparing, etc. In all that time, I have only met a few (a very few) people who used double sticks to fight with. The best fighter of all of those people, IMO, held the sticks near the mid-point and had almost a harimau stance while fighting- very low, with rolls and frequent drops to the ground. His attacks were nearly all thrusts and jabs from the low positions. He thought the drills I asked him about were silly, as they had no relation with what he was doing. Of the others, most just used one stick as a blocking tool while they fought with the other, a la single stick, or as with using a taming (shield). It seems that we in the West have taken what was basically a set of training drills designed to install some basic skills, and turned them into something else entirely. These double stick drills being talked about- heaven/earth, six, sinawali, etc.- were never done in the old days. Nobody banged their sticks together during training. These are all products of the last 30-40 years, designed to allow mass training in the FMA. Don't feel bad if you can't make those double stick drills work in combat. While they can be used that way, as we have seen from the Dog Brothers videos and as others have discovered for themselves (with enough practice), they are not really designed for that purpose. Steve ____________________________________________ Service Brought To You By http://WWW.DWP.NET ------------------------------ From: ylmdsx@worldnet.att.net Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:09:09 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Stickfighting, patterns, etc. > Patrick Davies wrote: > > > For those who stick fight, I believe there are one or two of you in this > > illustrious company ; ) , how much of your actual fight is using actual > > patterns. Would this increase or decrease if you were losing, back peddling, > > or tiring? Okay, I'll be the first to say something a few people will think is strange. YMMV, but the first couple times I introduced people to stickwork (I'm not a teacher, just a practicioner), I would teach them a few basic angles, a little bit on timing, accuracy, and power generation. Since these people were already from other arts, I allowed them to use whatever footwork was most natural for them. (Something funny to watch: a silat guy and a fencer who've never fought with sticks before running each other all over the room.) Then, I padded them up enough to let the aggressiveness come out, and let them go at it. I figured this way, I instilled some knowledge of combat with sticks, and the dynamic nature of it, before they learned any patterns. This won't work all the time, since the guys I worked with were already trained, and had a combat attitude in mind, but I think it's very important not to get stuck in patterns when we fight. Animal has mentioned things like this before, along the lines of "Feed someone the first couple strikes of a pattern, and then watch the look of confused terror as you wail them with something totally different than the next strike in the pattern." Almost every style has something like this, in my experience, that people overtrain, until they can be "lead" into it, and then creamed. Any comments? Stay Sharp, Joe s. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:38:45 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Double trouble A Howl of Greeting to All: The issues got deleted so I can't be precise in my responses-- sorry--, but the subject of actually fighting with two sticks is a subject near and dear to me. Things are very busy for me at the moment so I will be briefer than is my wont. 1) The patterns are to teach you to handle two weapons so that thought and deed are one without getting garbled. The more you understand fighting, the more you can get out of the patterns. Thus it is possible to be skilled in the patterns and not be able to use them. You will train them differently once you begin fighting, and many things that non-fighters do will drive you nuts because you either hit them in the hand or train with bad habits and/or develop other bad habits. Something to be aware of is that for most people, the complementary hand simply "slipstreams" the coordination of the dominant hand. As time goes by you may want to put in some serious flight time on the complementary hand by itself in order to improve your double. 2) Those of you who have seen Guro I. teach at his school over time know of the importance, depth and variety of Sombrada training in Inosanto Blend. We often go unmatched weapons including double against single, double against staff, and left vs. left and left vs. right which, although single, build double skills. This is a good way to evolve one's coordination skills into something closer to application. Once technical proficiency is achieved, it should be done in a state of Play with the fighter's understanding. 3) In Inosanto Blend, under the Majapahit influence, there is also Krabi Krabong, which includes double stick/sword. This is a forte of the Santa Fe clan of the DBs. Don't be fooled by its apparent simplicity. Speaking as one who has been hit by it, it has a lot of merit. KK is a strand in DBMA. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Tail wags for the kind words Chad. ------------------------------ From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:40:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #184 In a message dated 4/19/00 9:58:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Pavel Tsatsouline (a Russian strength training authority) advocates heavy weight training while BAREFOOT for this same reason. >> I've read a little about this guy. I'd like to hear more. Any comments? Buddy ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #186 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.