From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 21 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 189 In this issue: eskrima: steel fans eskrima: Dionisio Canete Seminar eskrima: Number of that truck... eskrima: re: two eskrima digest #186 eskrima: Length of sticks [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:51:23 -0700 Subject: eskrima: steel fans I am kind of curious. I have been told the same moves are used in eskrima that are used with the fans. Is that true and is there anyone of this list that knows how to use them? Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: Michael Osoteo Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Dionisio Canete Seminar Hey everybody, I'm one of those lurkers that have been reading the digest for a while. I have yet to comment on some of the topics because I don't have enough experience as of now, but I do plan to get to that level some day. I'm just a novice and have been doing a general martial arts class including eskrima (emphasis on Doce Pares) for about five months. Well, let me get to the point. My instructor has arranged to have a seminar with Dionisio Canete. It is scheduled for May 19, 2000. Details still have to be worked out on price and actual location, but I'll let you guys know when I do. I was just wanted to get a feel for how many people would be interested in attending. Of those interested, how many would be willing to go to Monterey, CA for the seminar? Well, just let me know, and I'll keep you guys updated. Michael __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:08:51 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Number of that truck... Mr. Steve Drape wrote: >I think we've taked about this topic in years past, but USING double sticks is not really why >people train with two sticks. I've spent the last 6-7 years in the Philippines, travelling around >looking for eskrima practitioners- talking, training, comparing, etc. Were you mostly in Negros Occ., or did you also explore Cebu? >In all that time, I have only met >a few (a very few) people who used double sticks to fight with. >The best fighter of all of those >people, IMO, held the sticks near the mid-point and had almost a harimau stance while fighting- >very low, with rolls and frequent drops to the ground. His attacks were nearly all thrusts and jabs >from the low positions. He thought the drills I asked him about >were silly, as they had no relation >with what he was doing. Who was he? > Of the others, most just used one stick as a blocking tool while they fought with the other, a la >single stick, or as with using a taming (shield). It seems that we in the West have taken what was >basically a set of training drills designed to install some basic skills, and turned them into something >else entirely. I've noticed that there IS a godawful lot of posts on double stick- techniques...quite interesting actually... > These double stick drills being talked about- heaven/earth, six, sinawali, etc.- were never done >in the old days. Nobody banged their sticks together during training. These are all products of the >last 30-40 years, designed to allow mass training in the FMA. Not to contradict your own research, but I heard a "variation" on this story: some schools maintain that there was a time long ago (probably before or during the 19th C.--MAYBE), double sticks were used by some groups almost exclusively (both for combat and learning), but later became less and less practiced...these techniques (or remnants thereof) were revived in this century and used more for teaching coordination and training rather than for actual combat...I can remember someone (sorry, don't remember his name, this was a long time ago) mentioning offhand that these techniques today are probably just "the tip of the iceberg," but because the doble baston techniques were said to be rather complicated and "sometimes just as dangerous to the user" (I presumed at the time that he got these opinions from his teachers and/or relatives, but they could easily be his own personal opinions)... > Don't feel bad if you can't make those double stick drills work in combat. While they can be >used that way, as we have seen from the Dog Brothers videos and as others have discovered for >themselves (with enough practice), they are not really designed for that purpose. Any reason why there seems to be a "Western preference" for double sticks? Just another anecdote: I once saw a small guy demo/"fun spar" his brand of double stick, which looked kind of strange for some reason...I realized later it was because he was a lefty and his left was more dominant (aggressive) than his right....it kind of threw the other guy's timing off... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:08:12 +0100 Subject: eskrima: re: two eskrima digest #186 Yep, collectors item Worth a fortune in a couple of years! ; ) pat From: Chad > Did anyone else notice that there were two eskrima digest #186, both with different content? ------------------------------ From: Stuart Pauker Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:51:56 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Length of sticks I'm new to Pekiti-Tirsia and I'm wondering what the appropriate length of the sticks should be. Someone told me that they should be the length of the distance from your armpit to the end of your fingertips; I've also heard that 30" is the correct length. Right now I'm using 28.5" rattan sticks which I seem to keep shattering and am thinking about getting some hard synthetic sticks from Jeff "stickman" Finder, but the only sizes his "Panther II's" come in that are close to 30" are 28" and 31" - any thoughts. Just in case it matters, I'm about 6' tall and the distance from my armpit to the end of my fingertips is exactly 31" - BTW, anyone have any experience with Stickman's Panther II's? thanks very much, Stuart Pauker - -- Stuart Pauker -> mailto:sbp8@mindspring.com Utendahl Capital Partners, L.P. 30 Broad Street, NYC 42nd Floor 212-612-9036 mailto:spauker@Utendahl.com (All opinions are my own and do not reflect those of UCP) Pekiti-Tirsia Kali -> www.Pekiti-Tirsia.com/ Renzo Gracie Academy -> www.shazbot.com/renzo/ Twin Towers Wrestling Club -> Hamilton Fish Recreation Center, NYC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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