From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #190 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 21 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 190 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 eskrima: Re: Seminar Etiquette eskrima: Length of Sticks eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #188 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven C. Drape" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 > >Were you mostly in Negros Occ., or did you also explore Cebu? > I stayed mostly in Cebu, and used it as my base. I travelled mostly around the Visayas- Negros, Cebu and Bohol, as well as in Mindanao. I had some conversations with a Tausug warrior, which were very educational. I also met people on a few smaller islands, like Camotes, where I have a home. >>The best fighter of all of those >people, >>IMO, held the sticks near the mid-point and had almost a >harimau stance >>while fighting- >very low, with rolls and frequent drops to >the ground. >>His attacks were nearly all thrusts and jabs >from the low >positions. He >>thought the drills I asked him about >were silly, as they had >no >>relation >with what he was doing. > > Who was he? His name was Arsenio Gabonada, and he had a son named Rudolfo. They were from Calunasan, in the mountains near Minglanilla, Cebu. Their story is a very interesting one. When I first met them (in 1994), the son demonstrated their style while the father talked about what they did. The father's left arm was useless at that time, due to a bolo wound that had cut tendons and nerves. He told us that he and a friend had been sleeping when they were attacked by three men with bolos (for what reason he didn't say). In the dark and in the confusion, he killed everyone in the room, including his friend. During the fight he was cut and disabled. He went to prison for the death of his friend. An unfortunate side bar to this story is that later, after I had talked with these men, relatives of the previous attackers attacked again, and the son was killed in the attack. Apparently, his skill never quite reached that of his father. >Any reason why there seems to be a "Western preference" for >double >sticks? > IMO, it is due to the need for schools to constantly have "new" material to teach. While it is not needed to train in eskrima, it does take up a great deal of training space in the curriculum. This may not be true in all schools, but I think it is a factor in many. >Just another anecdote: I once saw a small guy demo/"fun spar" >his brand >of double stick, which looked kind of strange for some >reason...I >realized later it was because he was a lefty and his left was >more >dominant (aggressive) than his right....it kind of threw the >other guy's >timing off... > Absolutely! Years ago, when I was really getting cocky with my sparring skills, my teacher introduced me to a left-handed instructor, and he blew me away! Suddenly, the check you used to have isn't there. The easy parry to the inside is now a hard block, with negative consequences and etc. Anyone who says that left- or right-handed makes no difference has never fought against a left-handed, well-trained person! I found out later that that left-handed instructor has had three serious matches and won all three. He trains with students right-handed, but when it is for real, he reverts to his normal handedness, and always wins. His name is Ernesto Berdin. A very nice guy and a wonderful teacher! A lot of good questions, and I hope some useful answers! Steve ____________________________________________ Service Brought To You By http://WWW.DWP.NET ------------------------------ From: Nolan Hernandez Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 Does anybody know of any Kali/Escrima seminars that will be held here in the Oklahoma City area in the near future? Any info on this would greatly be appreciated. Thanks. Nolan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:26:54 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Seminar Etiquette In a message dated 4/21/2000 8:32:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Well, let me get to the point. My instructor has arranged to have a seminar with Dionisio Canete. It is scheduled for May 19, 2000. >> I'd be willing to go as long as it was a full seminar. What do I mean by that? The worst seminar that I have ever attended was a Dionisio Canete seminar where the sponsors of the seminar hogged his time. They took him out to breakfast- the seminar started late (not unusual and by it's self, not a big deal). After a warm up and about 1hr of actual seminar, they took him out to lunch. Hours later they had not shown up. When they did and after being told we would still get a full seminar, we worked out for about another hour and then there was a demonstration. The demonstration was great and should have been an added bonus to the seminar. After the demonstration we where supposed to continue and that is exactly what Mr. Canete had planned but he was waved off by one of the seminar sponsors and we were sent home. What was billed as a 6hr plus seminar was barely 2. At no fault of Mr. Canete, I can't stress this enough. This is not to say that the seminar had no value, but it was greatly disappointing. What does this have to do with anything, hopefully nothing. This seminar was held 3-4hrs from Monterey and presumably the same people will show up. I'm sure this would not happen at your seminar but this gives me the opportunity to remind other seminar sponsors that "seminar" time with these great martial artists should be spent with the seminar participants. (Please reread the last sentence before sending me hate mail. :) ) If you (any seminar sponsor) bring someone into town for a seminar and wish to spend "personal" time with them, you should arrange for the person to stay an extra day- just for you and your friends. Jim Lowe ------------------------------ From: "Cory Eicher" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:39:50 CDT Subject: eskrima: Length of Sticks Two things: The length of your stick is more personal preference and style than anything else... I was taught that the 'armpit to fingertips' length is better for largo and media largo, whereas the 'armpit to wrist' measure is used for serrada. I tend to like my sticks in between, 'armpit to top of palm'. As far as Jeff Finder's sticks, they are great. I use the Panther II's as does one of my sparring partners, and my intructor uses the Strikers. The Strikers are a little lighter and softer than the Panthers and not as pretty, but because they are softer they are easier to hold. I sandpapered my Panthers and now they have a REALLY nice feel, even when I sweat a lot. Take care, Cory ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:37 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 FORT WAYNE, INDIANA AUG, 12 1pm to 5pm YWCA 2000 N. Wells st. (Gymnasium) Filipino Martial Arts Instructor: Master Bruce Ogle will be hosting a seminar Covered will be: Kali, Jeet Kune Do, Indonesian Penjak Silat, Double stick, Single Stick, Espada y Daga mano y mano, sikaran. and lots more if interested please email stickfighter27@cs.com price will be $50.00 please we ask no video recording Video of the seminar will be available for order. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #188 >>Yes, just a timing problem. Majordomo doesn't 'flow' too well at >>times. :) Theres that timing isue again.;) ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Kjowers194@cs.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:47:33 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #189 In a message dated 4/21/00 10:32:53 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Stuart Pauker Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:51:56 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Length of sticks I'm new to Pekiti-Tirsia and I'm wondering what the appropriate length of the sticks should be. Someone told me that they should be the length of the distance from your armpit to the end of your fingertips; I've also heard that 30" is the correct length. Right now I'm using 28.5" rattan sticks which I seem to keep shattering and am thinking about getting some hard synthetic sticks from Jeff "stickman" Finder, but the only sizes his "Panther II's" come in that are close to 30" are 28" and 31" - any thoughts. Just in case it matters, I'm about 6' tall and the distance from my armpit to the end of my fingertips is exactly 31" - BTW, anyone have any experience with Stickman's Panther II's? thanks very much, Stuart Pauker >> from: Kjowers194@cs.com I've owned a pair of the panther II's for about 6yrs. and they have not failed yet. The only drawback with synthetic sticks that I've used is reverberation, or bounce. When striking they tend to have some bounce but are easily adjusted to with a little practice. This may have been corrected over the years through the use of enhanced materials, but I'm not sure. I also had a pair of their cobra sticks ( I beleive that is what they were called ) but I gave them to a student who wound up breaking one of them. The good news is he was striking a steel fencepost when he broke it ( for what reason I do not know ). Anyhow, the craftsmanship is good and they are strong sticks. I also am a practitioner of pekiti-tirsia kali and have taken to using the armpit to fingertip measurement as recommended by Tuhon Mcgrath. It works out very well for me. There are several places where you may purchase well crafted sticks,but east-west martial arts is where I purchase the majority of my sticks now. They can be reached at 255 Tompkins St. Cortland,NY 13045 ,1-800-343-west. I hope this info has been of some use to you. Ken Jowers ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #190 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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