From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #197 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 26 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 197 In this issue: eskrima: Fwd: Stick Length eskrima: Dojo? eskrima: Re: Your lucky to be my instructor eskrima: fwd:website/seminar update!! [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Saturbo@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:26 EDT Subject: eskrima: Fwd: Stick Length Mr Baet, My intended point was that the different styles of the FMA will make functional use of weapons of different characteristics. Not to say at all that one would call timeout so he could get a shorter stick once his opponent came within the effective range of his 36" stick. My point was that the style you practice is based upon the characteristics of the preferred weapon. Hence, one would wield a weapon characteristic of the premise of said style. I am not familiar with the style you practice, but I imagine the techniques are different in application (although surely similar in principle) based upon the length of the stick. Should you become familiar with the Serrada style of Escrima which is my preferred style, you would come to appreciate why one would prefer a shorter stick, as we do. Not to say we can't play a longer stick, but a shorter one is certainly preferred. Also, keep this in mind. The stick fundamentally is a training weapon substituted for a blade. Would you use a 18" barong in the same manner that you would use a 38" heavy kampilan? To be honest, I am not sure where exactly you are disagreeing with me. Thus, I will take this opportunity to clarify my point. Different sized weapons are ideal for different styles of FMA. Different styles of FMA have entirely different premises and philosophies. The Serrada style I practice is an up-close style. Hence, we play a shorter stick. There are larga mano styles that work from a longer distance. Hance, the preferred weapon would be a longer stick. That's my point. Apologies for any misconstruction of my opinions. Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! R. Saturno, Jr ------------------------------ From: David Brent Wolfe Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:26:29 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Dojo? > From: Rocky Pasiwk > Is it me or has the attitude of martial arts over the last 10 years or so > real gone down hill > snip > I guess maybe I am old fashion, or getting old before my time or something, > I can't figure it out. Maybe I am just on a rant, but I have to believe that > others out their have had to have the same feeling. If anyone has figured > out how to change the declining attitude that people seem to have towards > people with knowledge to offer please post it Every generation has complained about this since at least the time of Plato a couple of thousand years ago. Socrates, the teacher of Plato, was forced to kill himself for teaching his students to question the local martial artists, i.e. the ruling generals in Athens. > snip > > I don't know if the attitude of the arts has gone down hill or whether > people approach it from a different angle nowadays. I can remember days when > I had to wear a clean uniform, barefoot and practice kata. I had to bow > before entering, instruction, after receiving instruction etc etc etc The American culture has become very informal. When was the last time you can remember calling some one by Mr. Smith or Mr. Schneider? When was the last time some one called you Mr. Pasiwk? Everyone tends to feel that it is OK to call everyone by their given name, i.e. Hi Rocky versus Hi Mr. Pasiwk. - ------------------------------ > > From: Fritz Schneider > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:01:23 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: san diego > I have looked around for Carlito Lanada but apparently his dojo > > - -- fritz > Why do the Filipino Martial Artists use the Japanese term 'dojo'? Dave Wolfe ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:33:17 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Your lucky to be my instructor Rocky Pasiwk opened this can o' worms: > Is it me or has the attitude of martial arts > over the last 10 years or so real gone down > hill. Times have changed, I guess. IMO, this is just a reflection of society. > But when did it start to become a privilege > for the instructor to teach a student. Probably about the time students realized they are the customer, paying for a service. Yes, I do think this sucks. The teacher I've been with for around 15 years never accepted a dime from me. OTOH, I had to ask every week for almost a year before he taught me anything. Once he accepted me, he showed me stuff that made my head spin. > I remember driving from Detroit to > Philadelphia just to train with Remy > for 3 hours. #snip# I imagine all that made you appreciate it all the more. In that regard, our experiences are similar. For the folks who just plunk down the Visa to get a certificate, I can see them not holding the experience quite so dearly and personally. > He also said something that more and more > people have told me over the years, and > that is not to give away your instruction > for free, because this is >America and we > are a society that relies on commerce, if a > person doesn't pay for it they don't > appreciate it. More and more I am starting > to believe this. I think the commercial approach to martial arts is fostering the bad attitude you mention at the beginning. With due respect to GM Presas, my teachers told me the opposite -- that teaching for money puts the burden on the instructor to cater to the student. One old timer compared it to sex -- most of us don't do that for money, either. :-) > If anyone has figured out how to change the > declining attitude that people seem to have > towards people with knowledge to offer please > post it. I don't think this is something that's solved in a missive. If it can be changed, it will be done through the leadership of people like yourself who hold some old-timey values and respect for teachers. Hey, you're not the only old fart around here. :-) >please don't take this post as me believing > that you should worship the ground your > instructor walks on No misunderstanding here. One of my teachers was asked who was his Master. He just pointed his finger upwards. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ From: HAV2BNU@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:56:33 EDT Subject: eskrima: fwd:website/seminar update!! - -----------------------------WEBSITE---------------------------- - -----------------------------UPDATE----------------------------- The cabales.com website has been updated and now contains photos, video clips, and an advice area. The video clips and the advice will be updated regularly, so be sure and check back often. If there are any problems viewing anything on the website, please contact me at webmaster@cabales.com. - ---------------------------SEMINAR---------------------------- - ----------------------ANNOUNCEMENT----------------------- Grandmaster V. Cabales has designed an intense and informative seminar, structured around Serrada's fast and highly effective empty hand techniques. YOU WILL LEARN: close range counters lock reversals simple takedowns knife techniques and more. DO NOT MISS THIS SEMINAR!! DATE: Saturday June 10, 2000 TIME: 12:00-5:00pm LOCATION: 136 E. Harding Way Stockton, CA 95204 COST: $80 per person. $65 if you pre-register by June 7. DISCOUNT: $65 per person of a group of two or more. webmaster@cabales.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #197 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.