From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #199 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 27 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 199 In this issue: eskrima: Lucky teacher eskrima: Re: Arlan's big stick eskrima: Fwd: Stick Length eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #198 eskrima: Garimot Philosophy eskrima: Respect [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Lucky teacher A Howl etc: Loved Rocky's current rant! To which I would add, I AM lucky to be someone's teacher. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:16:40 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Arlan's big stick You mean in all your doggy fights you never encountered even one good Serrada player? Let me ask you this =AD in an empty-handed situation and your opponent is kicking you and he has longer legs than you, are you whipped or do you trap and move to the inside to use your knees and elbows? You see in the Inayan style of Eskrima, Serrada is one of our core styles and in it we are taught to shut down the strikes a lot like the scenario above. BUT another of our core styles is Inayan Largo Mano in which we utilize a much larger stick/sword and focus on evasion and reach. Believe me, in capable hands that weapon IS indeed hard to go against. But the weapon/style is only as good or bad as the warrior using it. So when you say "I certainly have more respect for a bigger stick, the shorter the stick, the less concerned I am.= " I feel you are forgetting that sticks (big or small) don=B9t kill people =AD people kill people. :) I guess what I am trying to say is no one size or style is better than another and on any given day a small stick could beat out a big stick, or vice versa, depending on who=B9s hands they are in. Thanks! - --=20 Steve Klement (865) 988-7599 Inayan School of Eskrima - TN. inayan@mindspring.com www.shoponthenet.com/Inayan >From: "arlan and angel sanford" > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:33:23 -0600 > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #197 > I know stick length is a matter of personal preference, but I know for me= , > longer is better. If I'm fighting somebody who is using a shorter stick, = I > really feel they are at a disadvantage. I certainly have more respect for= a > bigger stick, the shorter the stick, the less concerned I am. I hear tha= t > the shorter stick works closer in, but that hasn't been a problem for me > with a longer stick and that range seems so short lived before grappling > comes in. A blade would, of course, be a different story and I would want= to > feel comfortable with whatever was available, short or long, but all othe= r > things the same I think a longer stick will have the advantage. > Arlan ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:32:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: Fwd: Stick Length - --part1_62.2cf32ee.26397f47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_62.2cf32ee.26397f47_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: GatPuno@aol.com From: GatPuno@aol.com Full-name: Gat Puno Message-ID: <55.50edb8e.26379831@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:54:09 EDT Subject: Re: Stick Length To: Saturbo@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Mr. Saturbo, I want to first greet you a pleasant hello and thank you for your response to what I was trying to explain. I hope you didn't take it in a bad way. I just wanted to voice my opinion to your post. I am not in total disagreement with you at all, I see your point but I do still feel strongly on my point as well. I am familiar with the Serrada system. As you may already know, I had the pleasure of meeting with Mark Wiley last November in the Philippines as he accepted my invitation to visit my hometown of Paete, Laguna as we both happened to be in the country at the same time. At that time I planned a special get together for him to meet many of Laguna's arnis masters including my father's sparring partner whom also happens to be Laguna's Doce Pares master. Ever since then, Mark and I have developed a great "brotherly" relationship. We keep in touch to this date via email and telephone. I have seen and practiced the serrada that you are talking of. I practiced 12," 14" 16" up to 32" stick in single handed grip and 34"- 72" with double handed grip. My points for not agreeing with you is the way you phrased "there's NO such thing as one size weapon fits all". I mean, its very confusing wording or misleading to the theory of the FMA to me and other instructors that practice and believe there is such a thing. As an instructor, and I'm sure the other instructors out there will agree with me on this, we train our student to defend themselves in any kind of attacks, long ranges to close ranges. If I understand your post correctly, you stated that even Angel Cabales believes even if his opponent has the longer weapon and he has only an 18" stick in his hand, he will make sure that he has counters for the attack. This leads to me believe that your founder instructor believes the same belief that we, the Garimot system, do believe in this circumstance... "adjust yourself to the weapon not have the weapon adjust to you". Anyway, again I stress to you I never meant to come off offensive with my response to your post. I have deep respect for you and all FMA practitioners as well as all martial artists. I just felt as an instructor of my system, I needed to voice that we learn and practice self defense for any and all attacks including the use of different weapons keeping in mind the size. I stress in my classes the FMA is a complete martial art and if the application is delivered correctly, I do believe that one can defend themselves in most any given situation. Please accept my sincere apology if my response was interpreted wrong. I enjoy reading your post as well as the others that post. I encourage you to continue your posts and I assure you that my opinion in return to your (or anyone else's post) is truly from first-hand personal experience, never just a "smart aleck" trying to give you flack. Besides the whole idea behind the forum/list is to share, educate, and encourage a "brotherhood" among fellow FMA. Guamgalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International Us Harimaw Buno Federation - --part1_62.2cf32ee.26397f47_boundary-- ------------------------------ From: "Gary A. Hudgins" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:11:41 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #198 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Fritz Schneider > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:28:22 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #197 > > > Why do the Filipino Martial Artists use the Japanese term > > 'dojo'? > > I don't think that they do, in general. That was my mistake in > nomenclature; these days its such a generic term that it just slipped out. > In any case, the end result was that I received a tremendous amount amount > of help from a variety of people. Thanks again to everyone. > > -- fritz > > ------------------------------ > > - Okay, I to fall into the trap sometimes of refering to a training hall as a dojo. What is the equivalent of "dojo" in Filipino Martial art terms? Gary H. ------------------------------ From: "Al Sardinas" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:58:18 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Garimot Philosophy Mr. Saturbo wrote: "..different styles of the FMA will make functional use of weapons of different characteristics.... I am not familiar with the style you practice, but I imagine the techniques are different in application (although surely similar in principle) based upon the length of the stick...... Different sized weapons are ideal for different styles of FMA. Different styles of FMA have entirely different premises and philosophies. There are larga mano styles that work from a longer distance. Hance, the preferred weapon would be a longer stick." In the Garimot system, techniques are different in application based on the range of your opponent not the length of your stick. This is the Garimot philosophy. We do not use a shorter stick for close encounters nor do we use a longer stick for long range or largo applications. I would further expand on the effectiveness of our system but this may be misconstrued as an advertisement of or as an attack on other systems or styles which is not my objective here. What it comes down to is that what you feel most comfortable with is what you should pursue in your training. Education is the key. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:26:44 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Respect Gerry Wrote: > Then one day about 7 years ago a friend of mine entered an > open TKD tournament and placed first in forms. This encouraged him to > reignite his MA studies and while training he started instruction for a few > of his friends. It started out as just four of us and he didn't charge for > his instruuction. Because he was instructing for free and we were there of > our own choice he was harder on us than most schools. I have always > respected and admired his method of instruction and don't believe it is > possible in a commercial atmosphere. Good for you, it probably shows in your skills to, Unfortunately, like I said this is no longer the norm. Most people are not like you and don't know a good thing when they got it. I also agree that, calling people by their first name and not their last name, may have a little something to do with the erosion of respect. In my particular case, I ask of my students, to call me Rocky. When someone calls me Mr. Pasiwk it makes me feel old or something. I also dislike the the term Guru, I don't know why but that term always reminds me of some hippie freak sitting under a hanging pyramid, chanting to himself. But these are my dislikes, I almost always use the terms when talking to a ranking individual, out of respect for them. Rocky " All that I ask for is a strong stick, and the balls to use it " ....The book of Rock....... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #199 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.