From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #200 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 27 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 200 In this issue: eskrima: Something for Nothing? eskrima: a guro by any other name is still a guro eskrima: Re: Stick Length eskrima: Serrada questions eskrima: Magellen(sp?) killed... eskrima: dojo/dojang/kwoon? eskrima: A couple small IMHOs and stuff eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #63 (fwd) [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:37:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Something for Nothing? <> Ditto. I've seen people more willing to pay $60 per month for martial arts classes that are half jumping jack excercises than $15 per month for effective martial arts. The guys that charge nothing seem to have the smallest enrollment of all. Unfortunatly many people think that if it doesn't cost anything, it has no value. Hey let me try this concept. "Today only Special: My rattan sticks are $20 each and $5 shipping per stick." See you in the sticks, Dale www.kalieskrima.com ------------------------------ From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:54:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: a guro by any other name is still a guro With the guro name thread, I think we are forgetting the instructor's preference. I'm sure that there are a lot of instructors out there that are fine with being called by their first names or simply guro, mano, etc. I have known some myself. I'd say a good rule of thumb however is to start formal and change when invited by the instructor. See you in the sticks, Dale www.kalieskrima.com ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:33:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Stick Length Hi all, First let me start this by saying that I have all the respect in the world for the Dog Bros., and their approach to the arts. Anyone who has the cajones to get in the ring and take their lumps certainly has a voice in any arena or forum. Contact provides a perspective that you have to have been through in order to speak about "self-defense" training with any semblance of credibility. I came from Inayan Eskrima, and contact has always been a hallmark of our training. In our reflex drills, the atmosphere would (especially with my particular teacher), very quickly cease to be "drill" and enter the realm of survival. Not trying to sound like a badass, but training without this aspect is missing a crucial element. However, I think that the subject of stick length is pretty much up to the individual. I am 6 ft tall, weigh 230 lbs, and still feel very comfortable in "Serrada" range with a 22" stick. Mike Inay is a big and powerful man, yet moves with amazing subtlety in tight; Jimmy Tacosa, well over 6 feet in height, can fight nose to nose with incredible effectiveness. I didn't take up Serrada because it was the only FMA available to me...I was lucky enough to have been able to choose from several systems at the time, all functioning at various ranges, but studied Serrada by choice. I liked the stick length, (more like what I would probably encounter in the street), and liked the emphasis on reflex training rather than hundreds of variations of counters. Serrada is also an excellent blade art, and the methodology used in stick training translates very easily to blade and empty hand. I am especially fond of the pocket stick, which uses exactly the same methodology as my 22" training stick. I have had my art put to the test through work hundreds of times, and it never failed me. I felt that I always had the upper hand in real situations, since I was perfectly comfortable to close quickly and get the job done nose to nose. Some may prefer a longer weapon, and that is absolutely ok...a good friend of mine once told me, and I agree, that the art you choose to study for a lifetime must "suit your soul". Good words to live by in any circumstance... At any rate, examine what is out there, and choose for yourself what is comfortable. There is so much available these days that is behooves any student to take their time and find the art that is suited for them, both physically and spiritually. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: "Richard Killick" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:51:01 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Serrada questions From: Steve Klement Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:16:40 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Arlan's big stick "You see in the Inayan style of Eskrima, Serrada is one of our core styles and in it we are taught to shut down the strikes a lot like the scenario above. BUT another of our core styles is Inayan Largo Mano in which we utilize a much larger stick/sword and focus on evasion and reach." Steve, Did the Largo style in the Ianyan style of Eskrima come from Angel and the Serrada system? When I met Suro Mike, I think he told me he got it elsewhere, my memory may be failing me here. If it did not come from Angel, how did Angel deal with Largo Mano range? Did he just close people down and get inside them. If my under standing is correct here, a Serrada person would not want to stay at long range but would move in? Does Serrada have anti grappling techniques to deal with people who like to stick grapple? Sorry for all the questions. "Okay, I to fall into the trap sometimes of refering to a training hall as a dojo. What is the equivalent of "dojo" in Filipino Martial art terms?" : Life! Regards Richard Killick ------------------------------ From: Roan Kalani Grimm Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:33:09 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Magellen(sp?) killed... Hey, just a little FMA historical trivia. On April 27th, 1521, the conquistador Ferdinand Magellen(sp?) was killed in battle in the Philippines by Datu Lapu Lapu and his boys. Whoohoo, go pinoys!! ------------------------------ From: Nate Defensor Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:45:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: dojo/dojang/kwoon? >>Okay, I to fall into the trap sometimes of refering to >>a training hall as a dojo. What is the equivalent >>of "dojo" in Filipino Martial art terms? Dear Gary, There are over 88 dialects in the Philippine Archipelago. You probably cannot get all the dialects to agree on one term. In response to this, again all you linguists out there can contribute, there is no one general term for a training hall/school in FMA. But here is my feeble attempt: In Tagalog - school could mean = "Paaralan", "Pasukan" Also in deep Tagalog, a warrior means Mandirigma, a house is "bahay", so one can easily refer to the "House of Warrior Training" as "Bahay Ng Mandirigma". This would depend on who is speaking and what style of language they want to approach. According to some texts - in Panay some neighboring islands, the place that teaches warrior arts, hunting, survival skills, etc.. was referred to as = "Bothoan" In Ilongo, a bastardized Spanish word is used for school = "Iskwelahan" In Ilongo, when you want to make a statement to someone on his way to learning or studying Eskrima : "Magtuon ka sang Eskrima?" To learn or study = "Tuon", "Magtuon" (notice the closeness to Bothoan) To teach = "Tudlo". To teach someone Eskrima here in Ilongo: "Tudloan mo siya sang Eskrima diri" dira=there didto=over there sa balay=in the house So, one could also call the house of eskrima as "Balay ng Eskrima" Again, so many ways to express a dojo or a kwoon in any Filipino dialect. Thanks, Nate Defensor Filipino Kali-Eskrima Academy of Chicago Defensor Method of Filipino-Indonesian Martial ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:43:07 +0100 Subject: eskrima: A couple small IMHOs and stuff Gary H. >Okay, I to fall into the trap sometimes of refering to >a training hall as a dojo. What is the equivalent >of "dojo" in Filipino Martial art terms? That's easy: "the back yard" (sometimes pronounced as "the garage")... : ) Seriously, I haven't heard the real term for this... I guess that you could say "silid-pagsasanay" (room {for} training or training room) or "lugar ng pagsasanay" (training area or "place"), but neither is very common...[I just thought of one: "silid-(or lugar) Arnisan" ("Arnis-ing room")]...just kidding! IMHO on the "my instructor never hurt me" thread: In my limited experience, many (if not all) instructors, and in particular the exceptional ones, will go to great lengths to prevent students' injuries. It is in the intructors' best interest to keep their students in one piece because 1) injured students sometimes don't come back; 2) injured students get discouraged which may eventually lead to #1; 3) injured students are less likely to attract other students. I believe the thread above would be more accurate if phrased: "my instructor never intentionally caused me undue injury, but accidents happen." I felt I had to comment on this thread because readers might misinterpret the previous posts as condoning (or worse, glorifying) "student battery." I have heard of really inferior instructors hurting students, then covering up their lack of control and lack of actual skill by saying "oh thats just part of training." BTW: In my limited experience, my instructors NEVER hurt me...but we did have accidents ... : ) IMHO on the "you're lucky to be my instructor" thread: Sorry to hear that this is happening. However, if this behavior upsetting, then perhaps it should not be tolerated...any instructor feel free to say "I'm sorry, but I'll have to decline the honor of becoming your instructor thanksabunch..." In other words, its up to the instructors (you know who you are) to set the tone as regards respect and proper conduct in class...anyone who doesn't show the proper respect should be shown where he can shove his sticks...politely... Titles have little to do with it IMHO...you can all be on a first name basis with all concerned but still retain a "respectful" environment...it is in the behavior and attitudes of all concerned that counts. O ja, Mr. Pasiwk: If having your students call you "Mr." makes you feel old, and "guro/u" sounds funny to you (sounds funny to most students in the PI too), perhaps the more colloquial "Sir" (proununced "seh-r") could precede your name ("Sir Rocky") or if you are of a Visayan style, Manong or simply 'Nong could be used ("Manong Rocky," or 'Nong Rocky for short)... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Dexter Labonog Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:33:30 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #63 (fwd) Web Domain for sale! Serrada.com Largamano.com Bahalana.com Visit Traditional Eskrima Arnis @ http://www.bahalana.com for link contact. 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