From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #203 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 28 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 203 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #202 eskrima: RE: size, etc. eskrima: short and long eskrima: FMA camp July 7-9 Toronto, Canada eskrima: Re: Dojo eskrima: Re: Titles [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Saturbo@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:22:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #202 I have not posted on this digest before because I have wanted to watch how things were. On the question of the short versus long my opinion is that if you are good enough and truly understand the advantages of one versus the other you can accomplish what others cannot do with a perfectly balanced high tech gizmo stick, with either short or long, Master Ron Saturno ------------------------------ From: "Tom Skoglind" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:36:10 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: size, etc. Gary wrote: ....Why is it that most of the participants in no hold barred events could pass for Mack Trucks. Because they are the guys that are winning. Size, strength, weight do matter. Why do they have weight classes in judo? Why do they have weight classes in boxing? Wrestling?.... I think the short answer to this is - because they are sports. Even in the NHB competition, there are rules, and those rules favor size. I am about 5' 9" and run about 160, so I am not big by any estimation. In a life or death street confrontation with a big guy who chooses to take me to the ground it would not be difficult to break his thumbs/fingers, take out his eyes, crush his throat, or grab his boys and do my best to cast them aside. Regardless of his size, these targets will be there for me if we are grappling. I agree that in sports size is a factor, but with the absence of rules there are a great many equalizers. The only dirty fight is the one you lose. Regards, Tom Skoglind tskoglin@schmitt-title.com ------------------------------ From: Saturbo@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:52:25 EDT Subject: eskrima: short and long I have not posted on this digest before because I have wanted to watch how things were. On the question of the short versus long my opinion is that if you are good enough and truly understand the advantages of one versus the other you can accomplish what others cannot do with a perfectly balanced high tech gizmo stick, with either short or long, After years of studying both the short and the long stick (because to truly know one you automatically know the strenghts and advantages of the other), it would appear that length generally has the advantage. You can if knowledgeable bring the large stick in close to the body and through weight shifting deliver tremendous power with speed against an opponent up very close and personal. If you study all of the champoinship fights in the various weight devisions in boxing you discover statistically that the opponent with the longer reach and if his skills were roughly equal won a greater percentage of the time, for example. Being a sarrada man what I am saying would appear to be sacraligeous, but it is not. Master Angel Cabales used the short stick and I woud dare say that most with the long could not defeat him in most instances. Does this mean that the short stick is superior? I do not think so, it means that "he" was superior and that he could defeat most with any reasonable stick through sheer mastery and excellence. The true advantage of the short is that in most cases short length weapons are more generally available in life and death situations. A pen, knife, bottle, etc. can trully be used with devestating effectiveness in the hands of one who understands the short weapon. My art encompasses the long. I personally practice with short and long. So in the end it may be that it is not the size of the stick that matters but the person who is using it. (But if you were to ask most women, they would say that size counts), but since I am a man I will stand on my prior statement. Sincerely, Serrada Master Ron Saturno, Sr ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:51:24 PDT Subject: eskrima: FMA camp July 7-9 Toronto, Canada The Toronto Chapter of Bakbakan International is proud to annouce a Filipino Martial Arts camp featuring the arts of Bakbakan International and Yaw Yan July 7-9. Please visit the Bakbakan International website for more detail. www.bakbakan.com If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Vince ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:13:35 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Dojo Hello, > From: tenrec > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:43:07 +0100 > Subject: eskrima: A couple small IMHOs and stuff > > Gary H. > > > Okay, I to fall into the trap sometimes of refering to > > a training hall as a dojo. What is the equivalent > > of "dojo" in Filipino Martial art terms? > > That's easy: "the back yard" (sometimes pronounced as "the > garage")... : ) How about "Luneta"? :) > Seriously, I haven't heard the real term for this... The most common term used by Filipino martial artists practicing any MA over here is "gym". Yeah, I know it's not a Filipino word, but the concept of a place dedicated to practice is a relatively recent development in FMA. Most of the old GMs taught students where it was convenient, the Guro's backyard or driveway, an empty field, or Rizal Park. These days in Metro Manila, most MA instructors teach in a gym or "fitness center". It's quite common for a fitness center to offer Taekwondo in the morning, Aerobics in the afternoon, Ballet in the evenings, etc. All these while people are lifting weights in another part of the gym. If an MA instructor says he teaches at a gym, it's most likely this kind of arrangement. Another reason for the use of the term "gym" is because most kids here tend to learn their first MA in school, where different MAs are taught as part of a school's extra-curricular program. Such MA activities are most likely held in the school's gymnasium. I assume the the term "gym" is a carry-over from boxing. I have yet to hear anybody here refer to their place of practice as a "Dojo". Not even local karateka use the term "dojo". Regards - -- [=======================================================================] [ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ] [ CEO - World Domination NetCorp. | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/ _ ] [ Freelance 3D Graphics Animator | Quezon City, Philippines _ // ] [ and Desktop Videographer | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ] [-----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ "The Internet is a fad." -- Bill Gates in 1993 -- ] [=======================================================================] ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:28:26 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Titles Hello, > From: tenrec > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:43:07 +0100 > Subject: eskrima: A couple small IMHOs and stuff > > O ja, Mr. Pasiwk: If having your students call you "Mr." makes you feel > old, and "guro/u" sounds funny to you (sounds funny to most students in > the PI too), perhaps the more colloquial "Sir" (proununced "seh-r") > could precede your name ("Sir Rocky")... There's an old joke that "sir" is short for "titser" (teacher). > ... or if you are of a Visayan > style, Manong or simply 'Nong could be used ("Manong Rocky," or 'Nong > Rocky for short)... If the teacher/guro is more of an intructor/tagasanay, or there's not much of an age difference, I think "kuya" will do nicely i.e. "Kuya Rocky" or just "Kuya". It's informal but still respectful since it acknowledges seniority. Regards - -- [=======================================================================] [ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ] [ CEO - World Domination NetCorp. | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/ _ ] [ Freelance 3D Graphics Animator | Quezon City, Philippines _ // ] [ and Desktop Videographer | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ] [-----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ "Online exchanges may be virtual, ] [ but the emotions they provoke are quite real." ] [ -- Michael Krantz, Is Denny Really Dead? TIME MAGAZINE, 4-Aug-97 -- ] [=======================================================================] ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #203 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.