From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #207 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 30 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 207 In this issue: eskrima: sticks n swords n collapsibles n stuff eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #206 eskrima: Re: Tag! You're dead! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #206 Re: eskrima: Questionns at close range. [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tenrec Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 05:16:08 +0100 Subject: eskrima: sticks n swords n collapsibles n stuff The grand poo-bah Mr. Terry (all hail!) wrote: >Yes, both can use the other's primary weapon, >but IMHO a stick art employing a blade will not be as effective as a blade >art employing a blade. And vice versa. Glad to hear someone point this out... this if often forgotten/overlooked, which results in some pretty awkward translations of technique (particularly amongst beginners)... Q for all: I just saw a "Phoenix PPC" collapsible baton...does anyone out there have any experience/feedback/any info on this? Also, aside from the ASP, are there any other reliable collapsibles out there? thanksabunch! tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven C. Drape" Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #206 >....... I realise that I am "ok" in Snaky >stick, Stick squared and Largo range. I hit people a lot off Largo range as >I bomb passed medio range but I basically go straight to standing grappling >and then to ground grappling. > >I do not do anything in corto range apart from the occasional (very) punch >or long thai knee. To be effective with corto range, IMO you need three things. You need to have a really good, fast, sensitive/reactive live hand, you need to be able to snap with power, and you need to be very accurate with those snaps, and thrusts, etc. To train corto, you also must have your partners agree that while training that range, put grappling aside for the time being. After you develop some basic skills in the very close range stick work, then begin adding the grappling back in, little by little. You can make this more interesting for training by carrying a small training knife somewhere not seen but easy to get to. Even a litle penknife works for this. When someone crashes in to standing- or ground-grappling, pull out your blade and see what happens. You'll be surprised how fast they stop diving in to tackle you. They will have to start using more technique as well to avoid the blade. Corto range is very intense, and you will never stay there very long- either you hit the ground or you move apart, but if you have trained that range well, then I believe that you will have the chance to decide which way it goes, not just accept the attacker's plan for the fight (the grapple). Steve ____________________________________________ Service Brought To You By http://WWW.DWP.NET ------------------------------ From: Marlo Brown Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Tag! You're dead! > Steve Klement wrote: > "When the man struck at GM Cabales he blocked and then struck at the mans > head, when the man blocked with his shield GM Cabales then struck at the > mans knee he then pulled the shield open with the butt of his weapon and > flip hit the man. He then said 'your done, you are dead'. All this happened > while Angel was smoking a cigarette - he never lost his ash." Although I believe most of the SCA vs Martial Artist tales are apocryphal, this one has a ring of truth to it. If it went down like it was recounted by Steve, it also shows a gentle side of Angel. I have great respect for the practitioner of *any* art who can show a young hotshot the error of his/her ways without harming the person. In 1983 or thereabouts, at a (loosely) TKD-based self defense class, a young man showed up wearing the black belt and uniform of another art. In some circles, I understand that this may imply a challenge in some places. The teacher, whom I'll leave nameless, was cool about it and welcomed the "new student." The teacher frequently brought in techniques from other arts, and that day were reviewing some boxing basics, mostly drills involving simple combinations. At the end of class, the young man sauntered up to the teacher and proclaimed that the techniques we'd been shown were wrong. The teacher humbly asked the young man to "show him," and the two squared off. The young Turk ended up with his arms crossed up a few seconds later, and the teacher gently reached through his guard and touched him, then began trying to explain how he'd done that. The young man wanted to go around again, but this time came in faster and more aggressively. You can see where this is going, right? Same result, but this time he received a slap on the cheek. He immediately went after the instructor, full speed, full power, and the result bore a striking resemblance to the Patrick Swayze vs. Randall "Tex" Cobb scene in Uncommon Valor. The young man received several modest shin kicks to the midsection before being dropped to the floor. He was unharmed, and the instructor helped him up and apologized. He was invited to come back again, and to his credit, he did. Proving that I can be stupid, too, I once made a really boneheaded comment to Harlan Ellison in a bookstore in LA, in front of witnesses. He just stared at me for a second or two, then changed the subject. Judging from his reputation as a verbal pugilist, I thought I'd bought the whole can of whomp ass, but he was really cool about it. Showing kindness to the unenlightened is a true mark of greatness. Respectfully, Marlo Brown ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 10:13:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #206 In a message dated 4/29/00 7:38:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << ANd just to throw a little gas on the fire, How come no one has said anything about density of the stick, ( do I have to do all the thinking : >> Uh, Rocky, I did, a couple of posts back...I stated that it is a misconception on most people's part to think that we Serrada players use thin, wispy sticks, when in fact we use heavy, dense rattan, and hardwoods such as kamagong, bahi, and ebony, in every day training. Kim ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 7:42:48 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Questionns at close range. > I do not want to hang out in this range unless I can get an advantage over > every one else. To be fair I have never sparred with a Serrada player or a > corto specialist. Right. We think of entering that range as the beginning to the end. Serrada is a finishing (blade) art. We hang in their during practice to learn well the range, but have no thoughts of staying there for very long during an interpersonal encounter (or at least I don't). > My other question is does anybody fight at close range with two sticks, I > have never been able to do it. Yes, when one is much shorter than the other, e.g. espada y daga. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #207 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.