From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #223 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 8 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 223 In this issue: eskrima: Protection Gear eskrima: Whats in a title eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #216 eskrima: what the heck? eskrima: Earned Degrees eskrima: Panglima Re: eskrima: what the heck? [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kautz.Kraft@t-online.de (Michael Kautz) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:52:40 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Protection Gear Gints Klimanis wrote: "Hello, Would anyone mind recommending protective eye wear? I'm interested in stuff that protects from face thrusts from knives as well as something that's strong enough to deal with sticks. The raquetball glasses don't seem to be quite right. Although they're pretty good, they don't seem to cover the training knife thrust I worry about: a horizontal or upward thurst that glances off a cheek bone and travels to the eye socket. In fact, some of the raquetball glasses seem to have air slots under the eyes that may even guide such thrusts right into my eye ball. I'm probably more interested in workshop-style suggestions than in helmets that provide full head coverage." Hi Gints, take a look at the following german Escrima gear homepage, I think this helmet is light enough for comfortable action training,, but a perfect protection for the knife fighting sequences, eye jabs, light stick contact, etc,. http://www.kuntao.de/dhelm40.htm Cu Michael Kautz ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:55:35 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Whats in a title Do titles really matter, call a person what ever they want to be called, Sir, Mr. Miss, Guru, Master what ever gets them thru the day. What ever they choose is legit if you feel it is legit, if you respect them for their ability then honor them with their tile, if you don't respect them and don't think their title fits, then don't acknowledge it and move on. And why is it that a person has to go to an " accredited University " and be acknowledged by his peers in order to be a legit Ph.D. or what ever. If you are a martial artist and have the years and knowledge and your peers recognize you as a Professor or Master or Even Dr. of the martial arts who am I or anyone else to argue. Just because you went to college don't mean DICK to me. I only went for a couple of years never completed my " Legit Degree" yet I make an above average income, more than many a guys with MAsters degrees, Hell I have fired 2 guys with Bachelor Degrees in business cause they didn't know s#@* about business. This is a problem with America, instead of looking at a persons ability to perform the task we look at his peace of paper hanging on a wall. ( a Government issue that I won't go into ) Look if you don't like the guys title that he insists on using their must be reason, that reason can only be that you don't think he is entitle to it, if you don't think he is entitled to it then don't train with him. This is the Martial arts not Brain Surgery. Time in study is time in study, I have 27 years into the martial arts, Why would it be wrong for me to call myself Professor Rocky ( which I do not want to ) if I choose, but it's not wrong, for some one to call themselves a Professor of Economics after only 8 or 10 years ( or what ever it takes ) of college. I personally have a hang up with the term Dr. my belief is there is only one type of Dr. and that is one who study's a form of medicine be it surgeon, mental, dentist,ect... But hey if a guy wants to be called Dr. because he has a Doctorates in B.S then so be it!! It doesn't hurt me in any way, I have more inportant things to worry about. And so should you. If you are over 15 years old and haven't figured out that the world is full of fakes, and full of truths then, you should NOT be allowed to play with sticks or other dangerous and sharp items. Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:15:21 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #216 Saturbo@aol.com, wrote: >Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:11:47 EDT >Subject: eskrima: FYI Sultan Uddin > >I don't know much about Guro Sultan Uddin, all I know is that he is a >master graduate from the Cabales Serrada Escrima Academy under >Angel >Cabales. Back then, he was known as Kimball Joyce. > >According to my father, Serrada master graduate Ron Saturno, Sr, he was >very fast, and very good back then, and I suppose he has >gotten even >better with time. His FMA lineage is certainly >legitimate, I think it's a >little rude to question his non-FMA >credentials in the manner you have >chosen to. Don't you think? > >R. Saturno JR Dear Ron, Actually I think that it is perfectly correct to ask a question with regard to a claim made by or in half of a martial artist when it come to a credential to determine if it is bone fide or not. If his lineage and ability are without question, that is good to know, but is his claim to holding a doctorate equally valid? That is a legitimate question. Therefore, let the answer be forthcoming. EBrook ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "IESA" Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:29:26 -0800 Subject: eskrima: what the heck? From: Luis Pellicer Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:36:15 +0800 Subject: [none] >I too would like to know what Kimball's Ph.D. is in. If I am correct >and my memory serves me well, I think it might have something to do >with martial arts. If this is correct, where did it come from? Also, >what school would be able to give such a prestigious degree? One >more question. No offense intended, but what does Maha Guro Panglima >mean? If Kimball doesn't slow down with the titles, he will have to >turn off word wrapping." >Jim Aren't many titles made up? As is too often the case, the fancier the title the more impressed the potential student. Maja Guro Panglima = High Teacher Fifth, of probably Fifth level high teacher. How often do you see the title "Professor" used in the MA? Check out thier credentials to see if they actually got a degree in whatever to justify the title, and you'll see most can't come out with squat. Can you imagine going to a job interview in a fortune 500 company stating that you have a Phd. and insist you be called Doctor? When they check your educational background they find that the "Doctorate" was self given because your family has a background in Business and you feel entitled to the degree? They'll either think you're crazy or a quack conman, any similarities? LPIII From: DrunkenPanda@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:18:54 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #220 >I too would like to know what Kimball's Ph.D. is in. If I am correct >and my memory serves me well, I think it might have something to do >with martial arts. If this is correct, where did it come from? Also, >what school would be able to give such a prestigious degree? One >more question. No offense intended, but what does Maha Guro Panglima >mean? If Kimball doesn't slow down with the titles, he will have to >turn off word wrapping. Here's my thing about titles. If your title is RELEVANT to the discussion, feel free to include it. But also be prepared to discuss your credentials if you want to use them. If your title ISN'T RELEVANT, leave it out. Being a PhD is horticulture (for example) is rarely important to a martial arts discussion unless you're talking herbal stuff, so just leave it off. Brian Dear Members, I took offense to these posts, and others. These comments and inquiries have been noted and forwarded to Maha Guro Uddin, as well as the numerous Grandmasters and Masters who support him. Luis, in response to your "translation", you have just directly disrespected the Illustrisimo lineage and authority as witnessed by Grandmaster Mena. Since you made an inquiry about something you know nothing about in this public forum, you are held accountable for your actions by Grandmaster Mena of Arnis de Abaniko, Maha Guro Ibrahim of Silat from the Tausug region, as well as Maha Guro Nasir of Silat from the Tausug region. They were the ones who witnessed Tatang Illustrisimo recognizing the skills of Maha Guro Uddin. The title is in Hiligaynon, not Tagalog, and there are well over 5 million people in the Philippines, primarily in the Iloilo region, that speak Hiligaynon. If you take the title to mean "high teacher fifth", then why is this title recognized in Malaysia and Indonesia also? Do you think it means "high teacher fifth" over there? Brian, what styles do you practice? Who is your instructor? What are your credentials? I only ask because you speak as if you know my lineage and my instructor's lineage. Instead of asking, you've thrown in your two cents with the rest of these people and you have disrespected our instructor and the lineage of the whole Sulu and Malay archipelago. Since you also made this statement in a public forum, this is now public record. Your school and instructor, who may know of Maha Guro Uddin already, are held accountable for your disrespect. And, who are you to discuss protocol on this digest regarding titles and such? I think Ray Terry does a fine job keeping things in line. Some of you have all these questions and you post them casually like you're speaking in a bar. You show no respect as martial artists, or towards other martial artists, as evident by your tone and close-mindedness. A summit was proposed on-line last year where people could ask questions. Only a few people took the opportunity and showed up to ask questions. It's easy to hide behind a computer and not talk with someone face-to-face. If you have something to say, qualify it by listing what you do, what your achievements are, and what your lineage is. At least that way, you validate your comments/remarks instead of coming off like some jerk with a computer. Bob Manalo, Jr. Advanced Guro IESA +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: David Brent Wolfe Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:03:35 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Earned Degrees > > >I too would like to know what Kimball's Ph.D. is in. If I am correct and my > >memory serves me well, I think it might have something to do with martial > >arts. If this is correct, where did it come from? Also, what school would > >be able to give such a prestigious degree? One more question. No offense > >intended, but what does Maha Guro Panglima mean? If Kimball doesn't slow > >down with the titles, he will have to turn off word wrapping. > > > >Jim Donn Dreager earned a Ph.D. in hopology(sp). Imagine a real Ph.D. in weapons granted by the University of Hawaii. His published dissertation is in three volumes, Classical Bujutsu, Classical Budo, and Modern Budo. Dave Wolfe ------------------------------ From: David Reyes Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:26:40 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Panglima > Maja Guro Panglima = High Teacher > Fifth, of probably Fifth level high teacher. Also in the Magindanaw, Tau Sug, and Maranaw groups, the title of Panglima, as defined by the Ruma Bechara (the Sultan's Royal Council), is deemed as the second highest ranking official next to the Sultan. The Panglima's duty is to rule and govern a large and select area of villages and followers appointed to him by the Sultan, as well as overseeing military matters and strategies. From the Magindinaw, Tau Sug, and Maranaw languages, the Panglima derives from the word, "lima" which translates to "hand". Hence, the Panglima is the "ruling hand or guiding hand" in proxy of the Sultan. Subordinate to the Panglima are the lower chiefs whose ranks are based upon the number of villages or followers they were appointed to govern. There are the Marajah Bangsawan, Marajah Pawalan (regional and district Chieftans), followed by the Orangkaya, or local village Chief. Of note, it is also said that these titled men are of either of noble blood or have a direct familial lineage to the Sultan. Mapiya, David Reyes~ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:56:52 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: what the heck? > what your lineage is. At least that way, you validate your > comments/remarks instead of coming off like some jerk with a computer. I think it is also possible to read more into people's comments than they perhaps meant. For the most part I just hear people asking what his Ph.D. is in, but we haven't received a response yet. Is that so terrible to ask? As an example, I'm very interested in continuing my education by going on for a Ph.D. or DBA or Ed.D. But time is tough and I don't think I'd be up for obtaining the Doctorate via the 'traditional' route. So, I've been looking at distance-learning/non-traditional programs such as those at CIIS, Walden Univ, etc. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #223 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.