From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #227 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 10 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 227 In this issue: eskrima: Ho from CO eskrima: Re Gladiator eskrima: first impressions [none] [none] eskrima: Modern Arnis Stick Length eskrima: Armed in Europe eskrima: Need info help please eskrima: Weapons in Europe eskrima: Keeping your finger in 8-) eskrima: Armed in Europe - the sequel [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Ho from CO hello from colorado Ray ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:01:51 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re Gladiator If you haven't seen it yet its worth the money great fight scenes and did anyone catch that the main man was a Spaniard and the nice bit of Espada y daga that he did. I don't know who Choreographed the scene but it was nicely done. And Todd please re-read it, my point was the person is important, not he thing in front of his name. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:14:38 EDT Subject: eskrima: first impressions Well i thought id drop another question. What was everyones first impression of Arnis/Escrima when you first seen it? I was 19 and in my kickem' high TKD days.(This was late 70's) Bruce had only died a few years earlier and i was still trying to be like him. I first seen some Filipino guy(Meno was his name i think) he had scars up and down his arms. I figured that what was the use,I was not going to use a stick on someone i would just kickem' real hard. I also thought "what the heck can you do with STICKS anyhow?" It took anthor 10 years or so before i really began to explore and learn to love the art. I regret so much that i didnt start sooner.It is a beautifully effective art that "Translates" into so many areas, includeing that of areas of life not commonly thought of as martial arts,if it are taught correctlly. I guess this is a strange question but I thought of it the other day and would like to read what others thought when they first seen Escrima/Arnis/Kali. Thanks Barry ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:29:11 +0800 Subject: [none] > >Something that I picked up that really comes in - excuse the pun - handy it >to keep two long thumb nails, taken to a slight point. You can always take >someone's eye out, but the sharpened point will cause all sorts of extra >pain. Getting one's eye gouged out will stop 99.9% of all attackers. If you >are in knife range, you are in claw range. With my nails like this, even >standing buck naked in the shower I am armed - usually better than the >average European. And unlike a European street tough, I don't have to draw a >weapon, mines already there and out. And what's more, no matter where I go, I >don't violate any laws. > This is done out here too, but usually only on the thumb of one hand. A friend came to Manila to do a BJJ seminar, and for R&R with a cultural tinge I took him and some MAists to the beach. This was pointed out to him as is also a FMAer, he though it was cool. LPIII ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:35:51 +0800 Subject: [none] >As an old Malay saying goes, "The half-filled bottles make the most >noise". > heh heh, being a perpetual student has it's advantages, no? Filipino saying goes : Tip Toe through the backdoor, but have your AK-47 on ready, with lots of spare ammo. LPIII ------------------------------ From: Eric Shaver Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:42:11 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Modern Arnis Stick Length I was wondering if there is a specific stick size that is used in Modern Arnis. I may start taking M.A. and I would like to know a little before I show up. I hope this doesn't rekindle the stick length issue. Thanks, Eric ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:49:59 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Armed in Europe Whether something is legal or not doesn't make a difference as to whether people carry arms but I don't need to tell you that now do I! While I cannot comment on the legality I would say that through other interests I know that there is a readiness to use knives by some in Italy. In football(soccer) clashes there have been many cases of opposing fans being cut and it is a general rule here in the UK that when travelling to Italy - relating to football - that you have a good chance of facing knives. AnimalMac wrote: I travel extensively to Europe and the laws of every country are different as are the degree of enforcement. Now normally you don't find me without a knife...not as a macho issue, but simply working and always cutting, prying and trimming things. However going through customs is always a crap shoot to say nothing about the local policia. In many of the countries carrying a blade is just flat out illegal. Whenever I go to Amsterdam I usually pick up a knife in a shop in the dam square as I have had previous experiences there of knives been flashed in our general vicinity. The last time I bought a little spyderco clip knife (3 1/4" closed/8 cm) at reasonable rates and came through the barrier/metal detector in my wash bag without any problem. My girlfriend who happens to work in airport security wasn't deterred either as it fits into the pocket knife size in the UK which is legal to carry. My own experience makes me wary of gypsies and north african immigrants in large cities that are working the tourists. I will check this out further with people who I know always carry a knife and who travel in europe and will get back to you. pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group Email work * Patrick.Davies@Halliburton.com Email home * pat.caz@virgin.net Web site * www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:09:13 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Need info help please An interesting topic was broached, as I just spoke to some of the senior Ilustrisimo practitioners/teachers regarding Tatangs praise of Maha Guro Uddin's skills. The chief Archivist of the Ilustrisimo clan would like to know when this precise meeting took place, year, precise date, time, etc., this is NOT meant to stir up an already hot pot up. Merely to record the meeting along with Masters Mena (who we know well)and Ibrahim and Nasir . Tatang gave his accolades rarely, and if he did, the Ilustrisimo seniors I spoke to are obviously not aware of it, and would like to be. Recollections of participation in a large American group of escrimadors visiting the Philippines are there, specifics are not. Some of these people lived with Tatang so you can understand thier curiosity. A friendly sparring session with Tony was mentioned several days ago, could anyone elaborate? Recollections out here are strained. Also if the full names of the Masters Ibrahim and Nasir are available that may of help with the archives. As my wife is the Grand-Niece of the Tausug Sultan, I was personally requested to look into this during a future business trip to Mindanao, as soon as the war down there stops. Hope someone can help out with the info. Regards, Luis Pellicer III Tagpas Kali Ilustrisimo LPIII ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan Broster" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:51:59 GMT Subject: eskrima: Weapons in Europe As Animal Mac has said, the laws vary greatly from country to country. The law is far less strictly enforced in the Mediteranian countries than here in England for all sorts of things (like crash helmets) they are just more laid back, but if you do get in trouble they are just as harsh and they do not speak English. I guess that in Italy or Spain no one would think anything of someone carrying a reasonable (ie small) folder, unless they actually did someone with it. In England it is now essentially illegal to carry a knife at all. You are considered guilty unless you can demonstrate a good cause why you should have it, maybe it's in your fishing box and you are sitting by a river; it is that strict. Mabuhay Jon ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:26:28 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Keeping your finger in 8-) > > From Marc Animal MacYoung > > I travel extensively to Europe and the laws of every country are different as > are the degree of enforcement. Now normally you don't find me without a > knife...not as a macho issue, but simply working and always cutting, prying > and trimming things. However going through customs is always a crap shoot to > say nothing about the local policia. In many of the countries carrying a > blade is just flat out illegal. > > Something that I picked up that really comes in - excuse the pun - handy it > to keep two long thumb nails, taken to a slight point. You can always take > someone's eye out, but the sharpened point will cause all sorts of extra > pain. Getting one's eye gouged out will stop 99.9% of all attackers. If you > are in knife range, you are in claw range. With my nails like this, even > standing buck naked in the shower I am armed - usually better than the > average European. And unlike a European street tough, I don't have to draw a > weapon, mines already there and out. And what's more, no matter where I go, I > don't violate any laws. > Hi Animal - I was wondering, what methods do you use to strengthen the thumbnails, I have tried on many occasions to grow one or the other of them but I can get a few mm past the end of the thumb before they start to break. As for being armed at all times - I would offer that being armed is not just a case of what you are carrying at any one time but rather it is a state of mind similar to awareness. That way you could easily convert any item within reach to a weapon - (or realise well in advance that the s**t was about to hit the fan and get the hell out of dodge!) To truely practice self defence one should strive for this level of total awareness 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (especially when buck naked in the shower *grin*). Be wary of crossing the thin line into paranoia though! Jon... (jon@techdojo.co.uk) (rogues@techdojo.co.uk) Ps. Sorry for the delay in updating the Rogues gallery (www.techdojo.co.uk/Rogues) new pages are iminent. Pps. There's still plenty of room for more of you rogues out there to be imortalised for ever in cyberspace - how about it Rocky, Crafty, Chad (and his Hawian hitters), the Garimot gang, anyone else ???? ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:05:13 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Armed in Europe - the sequel I have talked to a couple of people in the habit of travelling around Europe on a regular basis and they suggest that you can travel with the knife. They have had no problem with the knife in their luggage in the hold. If they have to take it by hand then they attach keys to it and put it in the tray for coins and mobile phones. By trying to hide it brings suspicion when found. They attach keys to it to exaggerate the pocket knife handy tool idea. For the person worried if it was illegal and whether they would face penalties in Italy a modification of this idea may be ideal. One key attached to the cheap knife may well persuade the Polizia that you are a dumb tourist ; ) They also suggest though that you use a cheap one rather than risk you losing an expensive model from an over zealous guard who is on this list! ; ) pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group Email work * Patrick.Davies@Halliburton.com Email home * pat.caz@virgin.net Web site * www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #227 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.