From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #239 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 14 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 239 In this issue: eskrima: Oh Barf! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #238 eskrima: knowledge is power eskrima: The Right eskrima: Million Women eskrima: Majapahit eskrima: Bang you're dead eskrima: Hello All Re: eskrima: Bang you're still alive [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:54:23 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Oh Barf! > From: Ray Terry > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:02:33 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: Million Moms... > > Getting ill watching the coverage of this silly "Million" Mom march. > I say protect our children by protecting our rights. > > Ray My reaction to this Orwellian drivel? Oh Barf! Check out the new wallpaper to our website. www.dogbrothers.com Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:05:48 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #238 > > I have read, that in the same time, when in whole > > Europe die about 500 people by shootings, in America die about 9000. > > In the US we know that more than 2 million crimes each year are halted and people are > defended because they have the right to own a firearm. What happens when a thug > breaks into the home of your elderly mother or father? My 81 year old mother has a > handgun and she knows how to use it, because -I- trained her. FWIW, I'm a certified > firearms training instructor. > > But, yes, accidents do happen. There is a cost to freedom. I know it is a big issue in the US. But We have by far fewer guns here in Germany owened by private housholds and I am very sure, that we have a much safer society than in the US. Isnīt ist funny, that in some US states it is not legal to carry a knife, that you can drive a car with 16 or in some states even 14 years, you are allowe to order a beer only with 21 years of age, but every child can play with handguns, take them to school and everybody thinks itīs nomal? > > Isn't it worth thinking about the victims and how to prevent so many killings > > instead of only insisting on the "right" that causes them? > > As our Ben Franklin stated, those willing to give up freedom for safety deserve > neither. I canīt understand why you set the control of guns equal with the loss of freedom. It does work in other countries as well. When children kill just to get the jacket of the victim. And many of these killings also have to do with the easy access to handguns. I think nobody talks about a total ban of firearms, I think one should discuss about topics like gun registration, rules how to keep it, regulations how to make them child protected and making it harder to buy one, and not just saying : If I canīt buy a gun, america will loose itīs freedom. I think it would not. > Think about it, what were some of Hitler's early actions in your country in the 1930s? > > "1935 will go down in History! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun > registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will > follow our lead to the future!" > Adolf Hitler > > "History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry > arms have prepared their own fall." > Adolf Hitler, Edict of 18 March 1939 Will you tell me, that Hitler woul have been prevented, if only the german people would have been allowed to buy guns? The rise of the Nazis and Hitler had to do with propaganda, controlling of the media and the blind following of a crazy leader, not seeing, that he was all wrong. I think the private ownership of firearms would have changed nothing. But this is speculation anyhow. But for it is an Eskrima digest, I donīt want to start political or historical discussions, that will lead to no result and have nothing to do with what we are members of the list for: FMA. Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions E-Mail: dk@abanico.de Internet: http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative Internet: http://www.modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:22:42 PDT Subject: eskrima: knowledge is power > I know it is a big issue in the US. But We have by far fewer guns here in Germany owened > by private housholds and I am very sure, that we have a much safer society than in the > US. But why is that? What study can you quote that has shown that you have lower crime (-IF- you do, that is) because of fewer guns? Please show me one. Why has the crime rate in Australia shot up (pun intended :) just as the government there confuscated most of the law abiding citizen's firearms? Why is the crime rate in the US declining as the number of guns is increasing? Why is the crime rate in the UK increasing when guns are less available than ever before? > Isn't ist funny, that in some US states it is not legal to carry a knife, that you can > drive a car with 16 or in some states even 14 years, you are allowe to order a beer only > with 21 years of age, but every child can play with handguns, take them to school and > everybody thinks it's nomal? Say what?? I don't know of any US states where it is illegal to carry a knife. In some states it is illegal to carry certain types of knives, e.g. switchblades. Where is it normal for -any-, much less every, child to 'play' with a handgun -or- long gun? Not in the USA! I suspect you're watching too much TV. I'm reminded of the popular myth of our "Wild West". Upon closer investigation you'll see that is was more like the Mild West. > > As our Ben Franklin stated, those willing to give up freedom for safety deserve > > neither. > > I can't understand why you set the control of guns equal with the loss of freedom. Freedom = Rights. Firearm ownership is one of our basic rights, defined in our Constitution. Yet we already have ~25,000 gun laws. If gun laws worked we shouldn't need any more, should we? > Will you tell me, that Hitler would have been prevented, if only the german people would > have been allowed to buy guns? Perhaps, perhaps not, we'll never know. IMHO it was more of a mindset of follow the leader. 'Sure, I don't need to protect myself and my family. The state will take care of all that. I can trust them...' Everyone, inform yourself! Knowledge is power! Read John R. Lott, Jr., from there check out Gary Kleck, then Wright & Rossi, Levenson, et al. Most of these studies/books were written by clearly anti-gun scholars that took the time to thoroughly research the topic instead of just watching the TV news. Learn the facts... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 14 May 00 18:03:22 CDT Subject: eskrima: The Right > Getting ill watching the coverage of this silly "Million" Mom march. I = say > protect our children by protecting our rights. > > Ray And in the meanwhile children shoot themselves because they have access t= o weapons they can=B4t handle. I have read, that in the same time, when in = whole Europe die about 500 people by shootings, in America die about 9000. Isn=B4t it worth thinking about the victims and how to prevent so many ki= llings instead of only insisting on the "right" that causes them? Perhaps it would be helpful to consider that neither the "right" nor the weapons themselves that are at issue. The values and mores of the people= are the critical points. Behavior is very much a reflection of values and mo= rals (or the lack thereof). My children (from previous relationships) are ad= ults. My current wife and I plan to be the bridge for a few more to cross over= :-) = I currently do not secure my firearms for the sake of ready access (home invasion is a too-frequent reality here). If/when we bridge another soul= into this place I'll have to rethink my strategy for managing firearms and man= y other things that might currently lay around in our home. I know people = who carry guns as private citizens everyday ... none of them have shot anyone= and I strongly doubt that they would unless the situation really required it = (can say the same re: my self and my wife). Revisiting the "right" ... unless= the officers of the law can be present to apply deadly force if necessary to = stop the perverted perps who might invade my home, I require the right to do whatever I need to do to protect my family/self. As is, the officers of = the law CANNOT do this. It is up to the individual to deal with the attacker= (s) who might push things into the "gravest extremes." No creature in nature= requires any other creature to give it the right to defend itself in what= ever way might be necessary and suitable. Perhaps on the flip side of the Mil= lion Mom thing one will get to see/hear the moms who say "NO!" to those who wo= uld deny the law-abiding the access to suitable means of applying deadly forc= e if/when necessary. Fact is: When law-abiding citizens have right-to-carr= y, murder rates decrease (cuz de bad guys know dat dey bleed too, eh?). Tuh= on Gaje once spoke about this in a taoed interview with Mr. Sachetti, i.e., = the respect given when someone sees that another has a sword. Remove the pro= mise of retaliation and the aggressor is bolder. Make it very clear to the agressor that the price of aggression may be more than said aggressor car= es to deal with and aggression may become less likely (unless they're just plai= n crazy mon!) Problem here is that there may be a lot of'em here who are j= ust plain crazy! So ... we need "the right." Think of the women who suffer rape/abuse.murder just because some guy(s) find recreation in that. Imag= ine that one such woman is your aunt, mother, wife or daughter. Give her the= means to equalize a bad situation, eh? = =46rom what I've read, it was America's "right" that made the Japanese sa= y no to a direct invasion on the mainland. OK, shutting up and re-coiling back into lurk . . . Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Million Women Oh oh, Ray, just look what you started. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 14 May 00 18:50:24 CDT Subject: eskrima: Majapahit Read a post which seemed to relate "Majapahit influence" to use/inclusion= of Krabi Krabong in training. What's the link btwn the Malay empire of Maja= pahit and the Krabi Krabong of Thailand? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: M Salazar Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Bang you're dead I think its a middle class conceit to put down the Million Mom March when you're living in a relatively comfortable, nonviolent environment with enough personal wherewithal to have studied to be a martial artist for self enrichment as well as practical protection. I think that martial artists and gun owners should support the march and push for tougher restrictions on access to guns for kids. Think of it this way, we spend years practicing to be good at what we do, but the irony is that all it takes is a scared, angry child with a cheap, Chinese made hand gun to put you in a pine box. And yes I am a gun owner and I support responsible ownership and oppose the NRA's political correctness on all things gun-related. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Eskrimador@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:06:17 EDT Subject: eskrima: Hello All Hello All, I have just come back from a tour in Germany and Sweden. I would like to=20 express my appreciation for the enthusiastic reception of Inayan Eskrima in=20 those two countries. I will be going back next year around this time to do=20 another series of seminars. Thanks to Jeff Espinouse and Johan Skalberg for accompanying me on most of m= y=20 tour. And also for being my assistants in demonstrating techniques and=20 concepts of Inayan Eskrima. They are both dedicated Martial Artists.=20 I would also like to extend thanks to Dieter and Bea Kn=FCttel for their=20 hospitality and friendship. I must say that Dieter is a craftsman when it=20 comes to setting up, filming, organizing, and editing video productions. If=20 anyone would like to have a good video done, and if he is willing, I strongl= y=20 recommend Dieter. He is a professional producer with over 65 martial arts=20 videos to his credit. Granted that most of the people he has filmed are=20 European, his quality is still excellent. I do not usually speak of people publicly, as I feel there can be to many=20 misinterpretations. But I would like to say that Dieter is also a craftsman=20 in his art of Modern Arnis. I have watched him instruct on many occasions an= d=20 he does so with the enthusiasm and intensity of one who believes in his art.= =20 His exuberance is sometimes contagious. He is a Master in his own right, and= =20 it is a pleasure see him working. Its nice to be able to teach and share wit= h=20 someone that is comfortable in his own style and is still willing to learn=20 from other styles, without worrying about political repercussions or making=20 it a political issue. Regards, Suro Mike Inay ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:54:53 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Bang you're still alive > I think its a middle class conceit to put down the > Million Mom March when you're living in a relatively > comfortable, nonviolent environment with enough > personal wherewithal to have studied to be a martial > artist for self enrichment as well as practical > protection. Did I grow up in a non-violent environment? I grew up as your typical 'poor white trash' very near the coal fields of eastern Kentucky and West Virginia. No, or very little, middle class conceit here... > I think that martial artists and gun > owners should support the march and push for tougher > restrictions on access to guns for kids. How much tougher than "it is already illegal" can you get? How many dozens of gun laws did the Columbine kids, aka criminals, break? Think about it. > this way, we spend years practicing to be good at what > we do, but the irony is that all it takes is a scared, > angry child with a cheap, Chinese made hand gun to put > you in a pine box. Now THIS is middle class conceit. Because someone is poor they should not be able to purchase a firearm to defend themselves, their family, and their country? The junk gun argument is simply full of class favoritism. If you can afford a $500+ gun, no problem. If you can only afford $125, sorry, but your family doesn't matter. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #239 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.