From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #241 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 15 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 241 In this issue: eskrima: Tooth and nail eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #239 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #239 eskrima: Guns in USA and Germany eskrima: Deviation ;-) eskrima: Free DSL warning ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:18:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Tooth and nail Not only do i keep all my nails grown out but i cut them in a pointed fashion and also have filed my two front teeth down to a razors edge.It works great! I also eat as much chili as possible so i can use chemical warfar. No--,just kidding.I couldnt resist. But seriously,Im a huge beliver in tooth and nail.Not only have i used it more than once but ive seen it used to turn the tide in a fight.I've also seen it "proven" in the octagon when Joe Hess i think it was used it against someone(cant remember his name)and it turned the tables as well in that "sport" fight as Joe Hess proceded to beat and pumble the guy after he thumbed him in the eye.He was also fined $2000. Biteing also will quickly turns tables or opens the door for something more devastating.Tyson was(is) a street fighter first.He knows the mindset. Granted it ain't pretty.But who really cares. I am not saying an entire system should/could be built around Tooth and Nail but tools are tools. Tooth and nail are great anti-grappling tools.Again im not saying just because you bite and scracth will mean that you can defeat a good grappler....ha - ha very funny indeed,BUT..there are MANY oppertunities that are overlooked by not training the mindset of tooth and nail. A lot of martial artist resist the notion because it aint martial artsy. But if survival is your goal you cant neglect them. Women have used them. Convicts use them. Animals use them. War heros have used them. Lunitics use them. Children use them. But "educated" and "highly trained" martial artist.........well they use them too.Some dont though. I need to sharpen my nails. Barry ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:41:43 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #239 >I can=B4t understand why you set the control of guns equal with the loss of= =20 freedom.=20 Well read the US constitution for starters.Look at history next.If you thin= k=20 just because we live in a modern era that totalitarianism can,t happen again= =20 then you're kidding yourself.Plus what are they teaching you in German=20 schools about the way Hitler and Fasism took to power? No disrespect. =20 Gun control IS the loss of freedom.Not the equal.The loss of the Freedom to= =20 through off any Goverment that insist on impossing terany and undue=20 oppression upon the "people". which are the TRUE goverment of the=20 land.Self--govern-ment. That is where the REAL proplem lies these days---in=20 Self--Govern-ment. Ok im off the soapbox. Barry ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:53:44 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #239 I feel I have questions about gun control in Europe. First, I understand that Briton has very strict gun control laws, and yet the IRA has a very formidable arsenal still. Gun control did not stop an IRA man from shooting an Ulster policeman dead in from of school children a few years ago. And the Red Army Faction and the Beider-Meinhoff gang always seemed to be well armed. I'm not that impressed with gun control in Europe. Second, the suicide rate in Denmark is about 7 times the murder rate in the US. Strict gun control there does not stop the body count, a dead person is a dead person. Third, most of the murders do seem to be concentrated in the cities, once you get to the suburbs and rural areas, it is as safe as any place in Europe. Forth, according to Men's Health May 2000 issue, 55% of all children murdered where murdered by their dear old MOTHER! I see no calls to outlaw this most dangerous threat to the children's lives. 61% of child abuse is committed by mothers. Come to think of it, we have laws against domestic abuse, but the abuse goes on. Outlawing guns is not the answer. You have to treat the weapon with respect and intelligence. We have the second amendment, which is based on old English common law. It would require a constitutional convention in order to remove the second amendment. The keeping of arms in order to hunt, target shoot, and defend oneself is a basic right of all citizens. As Jeff Cooper has said "A man who picks up a rifle ceases to be a subject, and becomes a citizen" ------------------------------ From: ptbernd@gmx.de Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:46:39 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Guns in USA and Germany Hi out there! I have followed the discussion about Guns in USA compared with Germany and would like to add a few words. First of all, I do not believe that we can totally compare these two countries according to weapons. The USA have a completely different history. There, they grew up with guns, the history was made with "protecting myself against nature and crime with a weapon". But, here in Germany we are not used to that. The control and protection was lying at the government for a long time. I have been to Texas twice, I saw people running aroud with guns alll the time, shooting outside in the middle of nowhere. In Germany everything is so close - you will not find probably 10 miles without any people. If we shot somewhere we never would be save. Perhaps it sounds not very scientificly, but I believe that the wide country the USA have is one reason for the acceptance and need for guns. BUT, how far as I know much more people get shot and killed by guns every year in the US than in Germany (Sorry, I do have a quote in my hand!). Here in Germany we have bigger in bigger problems with that, too. The reason is that more and more criminals get guns illegal, coming from the easter part of Europe (Russia etc.). That could bring up the opinion, that guns can rise crime. Last idea: What would have happened when East-Germany (DDR) had the little revolution, revolted against the government and everybody had guns?????? I do not want to say that guns are good or bad - it depends. Regards, Bernd Giller, Germany ptbernd@gmx.de ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:08:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Deviation ;-) A Howl of Greeting to All: Oh boy, a deviation off FMA and its started by Ray so it ain't my fault! > I know it is a big issue in the US. But We have by far fewer guns here in Germany owened > by private housholds and I am very sure, that we have a much safer society than in the > US. I would suspect that is so for other reasons. I believe that an honest study of gun ownership in the US would show that there is an inverse relation between gun ownership and crime. Washington DC for example has absolutely draconian laws against gun ownership and perhaps the highest murder rate in the country. The data show that an extremely high % of criminals acts with guns are commited with illegal guns. These laws served zip to prevent crime. > I canīt understand why you set the control of guns equal with the loss of freedom. It > does work in other countries as well. When children kill just to get the jacket of the > victim. And many of these killings also have to do with the easy access to handguns. I > think nobody talks about a total ban of firearms, I think one should discuss about > topics like gun registration, rules how to keep it, regulations how to make them child > protected and making it harder to buy one, and not just saying : If I canīt buy a gun, > america will loose itīs freedom. I think it would not. The problem about registration is that it is exactly what enables a government to come and take away the guns. It is, for example, what Hitler did. In America, as a pretty serious student of politics it is my clear conviction that those who clamor for registration today merely view this as a wedge in a struggle to disarm the people. I use the example of Hitler not because you are German, but because it is a good example. Stalin and other dictators, although less well known in this regard, acted similarly. But one does not have to turn to Fascist and Socialist dictatorships. Look at what has happened in England and Australia. , , , , > Will you tell me, that Hitler would have been prevented, if only the german people would > have been allowed to buy guns? The rise of the Nazis and Hitler had to do with > propaganda, controlling of the media and the blind following of a crazy leader, not > seeing, that he was all wrong. I think the private ownership of firearms would have > changed nothing. > But this is speculation anyhow. I agree that proving "what if" scenarios is speculation. And I agree that many people followed Hitler voluntarily. I would also submit the proposition that violent intimidation was an indespensable ingredient to Hitler and Mussolini's rise to power. Certainly Hitler thought gun registration was a good idea. Speaking as a Jew, studying this piece of history has been part of my education. As a Jew, one of the questions presented by some is "Why didn't you fight?" A big part of the answer was that we didn't have guns. If you look at the history of the Warsaw insurrection as the Nazis closed in, I believe you will find extraordinary acts of resistance and courage. It would have been better if we had guns. > But for it is an Eskrima digest, I donīt want to start political or historical > discussions, that will lead to no result and have nothing to do with what we are members > of the list for: FMA. Ah, too late! ;-) Pooh-Bah Ray will rein this in soon no doubt, but from time to time this list has a history of drifting a bit afield. Again I wish to emphasize that the example of Hitler is in no way aimed at you or the modern Germany. It is simply a stark example with which we are all familiar. > > I know it is a big issue in the US. But We have by far fewer guns here in Germany owened > > by private housholds and I am very sure, that we have a much safer society than in the > > US. > > But why is that? What study can you quote that has shown that you have lower > crime (-IF- you do, that is) because of fewer guns? Please show me one. Actually it goes further than that. The states in the last few years that have licensed concealed carry, have shown DECREASES. It is why tourists are a partiularly favorite target of criminals in Florida-- they are less likely to have a gun. > Why has the crime rate in Australia shot up (pun intended :) just as the > government there confuscated most of the law abiding citizen's firearms? > Why is the crime rate in the US declining as the number of guns is increasing? > Why is the crime rate in the UK increasing when guns are less available than > ever before? Good points. > > I can't understand why you set the control of guns equal with the loss of freedom. Because when only the police have guns its a police state. > Freedom = Rights. Firearm ownership is one of our basic rights, defined in > our Constitution. Yet we already have ~25,000 gun laws. If gun laws worked > we shouldn't need any more, should we? YES. > > Will you tell me, that Hitler would have been prevented, if only the german people would > > have been allowed to buy guns? Guns are not the controlling variable-- unless you don't have any! Perhaps if France had not driven as punitive a peace as it did at the end of WW1, perhaps if there hadn't been the Weimar infllation, perhaps if the US hadn't passed the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, perhaps if the opponents Hitler murdered had guns etc etc -- who knows? > From: M Salazar > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: Bang you're dead > > I think its a middle class conceit to put down the > Million Mom March when you're living in a relatively > comfortable, nonviolent environment with enough > personal wherewithal to have studied to be a martial > artist for self enrichment as well as practical > protection. Ah, when the facts fail, its time for the ad hominen argument. Well, maybe its a middle class conceit to think that you can live in a poor violent neighborhood and count on the police to stop that crackhead coming in your kitchen window. > I think that martial artists and gun > owners should support the march and push for tougher > restrictions on access to guns for kids. Think of it > this way, we spend years practicing to be good at what > we do, but the irony is that all it takes is a scared, > angry child with a cheap, Chinese made hand gun to put > you in a pine box. What's the argument here? Buy American? Seriously, and again, these acts are almost always committed in violation of a whole slew of gun laws. > And yes I am a gun owner and I support responsible > ownership and oppose the NRA's political correctness > on all things gun-related. In the various NRA magazines every month there is a page one one paragraph summaries of newstories from around the country relating the use of guns by citizens to defend themselves. Invariably they are not from the vast liberal news-as-entertainment blob, but from real newspapers. I sincerely believe that if you were exposed to this page it would change your perspective. Reading the blob you only hear of certain sensational cases, but never of the vastly greater number of cases of citizens defending themselves. I suggest to you that there is a belief amongst the news-as-entertainment blob Barbies and Kens who think of themselves as journalists because they can read off a teleprompter that it is politically incorrect to let people know of successful uses of guns and that this has lead to utterly dishonest reporting and a conning of a large portion of the American people. And now changing subjects completely, Mikal asked: > Read a post which seemed to relate "Majapahit influence" to use/inclusion > of Krabi Krabong in training. What's the link btwn the Malay empire of Maja > pahit and the Krabi Krabong of Thailand? That may have been me. The Majapahit Empire extended throughout what is now known as Indochina, including Thailand. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: M Salazar Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Free DSL warning Completely non-FMA related but I post it here as a public service to everyone of us who doesn't have DSL and hates their 56K modem as much as I do. FreeDSL is a concept that supposed to put DSL in people's hands in exchange for banner ads, etc. but READ the fine print and this web site dissects it for you, including ludicrous penalties for cancelling and options to change your current local phone carrier (for the U.S. of course this all applies). http://www.everythingdsl.com/ Caveat emptor as usual. I guess I'll wait for DSL prices to slowly creep down when competition starts to sink in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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