From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #245 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 15 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 245 In this issue: eskrima: Thanks... eskrima: Germany eskrima: Sorry, just one more comment on guns eskrima: back kick eskrima: get centered people eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #243 Re: eskrima: get centered people [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roan Kalani Grimm Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:37:47 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Thanks... > Coming from family of vets I know this for a fact: We did not get our asses > handed to us by Veitnam or the VC...We won practiclly every single major > battle of signifagance with only a few exceptions.Our asses were handed to us > by our own politicians up the chain of command. > > Roan,I do see the point you are making though and do agree with you on that > point.I relize you ment it differantly.Gurilla warfare is an art unto itsself. > Barry > Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say but didn't/couldn't. :-) Peace respect and an open mind. Aloha, Kalani "We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best is he who is trained in the severest school." --Thucydides ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:43:45 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Germany They would have gained their freedom long before 1989. ------------------------------ From: Kevin Kirk Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Sorry, just one more comment on guns Lets' put some things in perspective. About 40 thousand people die from guns each year. The estimate of the number of gun owners in America ranges from a low of 65 million to (the last FBI statistic I read a couple years ago was approx. 80 to 85 million). Taking the low value of 65 million we get a percentage like this: 40000/65000000 .00061 A high value of 85 million gives us this percentage: 40000/85000000 .00047 Come on, do we have to penalize 80 million gun owners for the actions of these murderous criminals and nut cases? By the way, about 40% of those deaths by guns are suicides - the media will conveniently leave that information out. Ask youself this. When those laws are enacted and the law abiding people are forced to give up will criminals no longer have guns? Will you feel safer? Did all those laws against drugs eliminate the drug users or drug sellers? Are drugs still brought into this country anyway? Can anyone see that tougher laws are not the way to handle these problems? Here are some old quotes I got on the net many years ago: "Over 65 million American gun owners didn't hurt anyone today." - Rolf Sondergaard "Since when is "public safety" the root password to the Constitution?" - C. D. Tavares ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:31:20 PDT Subject: eskrima: back kick > Change of topic: I got a short mpeg that shows a back kick. It is about 800 > kb big an it is WELLLLLL worth having a look at. I showed it to Suro Mike > Inay and we had a look at this kick for about 10 times and all we could > think of was ouch, that hurts. > > If anybody wants to have it, send me a mail and I will mail it to you. But > please send a comment about it. > > I have send it to Ray. What's your comment on that kick? No one ever moved like that from one of my back kicks... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:13:29 -0400 Subject: eskrima: get centered people I know the thread is done with , I am a little behind, you know me I don't read to fast. People that know me also know that I rarely if ever post anything about guns, when every couple of months some issue on the subject comes about. I personally don't care what B.S you read or believe in one way or another. I realize that a lot of guys get woody's because they have studied some book, or taken some weekend, survival course given by some former Military/LEO hot shot hey if its you thing go with it. But keep in mind any large multi million dollar group is going to have its own agenda, If you don't think some fat cats are living high on the hog from you contribution to the NRA or some anti gun group your plain stupid. All of these groups have high priced Lawyers and lobbyists that can take numbers ( statistics ) and turn them 6 ways from sunday to fit their agenda, its what they do its what their paid to do. Hell people who have mastered the law and the English language, couple with statistic experts can make anything look or sound legit. Example lets say group (A) consists of 1000 people and Group (B) consist of 100,000 people and lets say group (A) has something, that primarily started in their group, but is now in group (B) too, then group (A) insist that this something is not primarily in their group, cause last year only 100 new something's where reported in their group but over 300 new something's popped up in group (B) so there take that. Well if we look at those numbers in a different light Group (A) went up 10% and group (B) went up .3% Now depending on which way either group wanted to make their point depends on which set of numbers they would use. The same goes for authors of books. I refer to myself as a realist, ( a term I wish would catch on ) The world is not perfect it never has and never will be. Gun control is something that needs to be. Gun abolishment is plain stupid. I see nothing wrong with making a person learn and pass an extensive training course in gun handling. I think this is what most people in this country (U.S) would like to see. Why do you have to take drivers ed to drive a 2000lbs auto mobile ( which by the way kills more people than guns do ) but you can in most states fill out a small questionnaire, maybe go through a back ground check, and poof you have a gun, this I don't understand. At the same token we outlawed liquor in this country and all it did, was make a bunch of common criminals rich, you know like the Kennedy's. If you want a gun make sure its for the right reasons and as Ray say's educate your self and your family, I have a 2 year old daughter who is already getting educated about guns, obviously I do not use a real gun with her, but she understands the difference between good and bad. When we are in a toy store and she sees a toy gun I point it out as bad. Because at this point until she is old enough to get educated about what a gun is really for and what it does, all I want her to know is they are BAD and hurt BABY that's all she needs to know and I personally think its a good start. Secondly if you choose to have a gun you need to be held responsible for that gun, as an adult anything that happens with that gun is you responsibility not anyone else, no matter what some dirt bag Lawyer tries to say it is not Smith and Wesson's problem or fault. Just as it is not Fords or GM's fault if you are carelessly driving and kill some, nor is it Budwisers or the establishments where you purchased the beers fault if you are of age and you drink drive and kill someone. And remember if you let kids into your house then you are also responsible for them kids, even if you don't have kids. If you let my daughter into your house and you leave a gun out and something happens....... Well lets just say you won't go to trial..... I know this is a public forum and Ray will want to make some comment and probably re-post my last comments to make a point so here you go Ray......For the record, because I stand behind what I say and beleave. > If you let my daughter into your house and you leave a gun out and something happens....... Well lets just say you won't go to trial..... ANd.... Comparing the United States of America to any other country is crazy. First of all we are much larger than most other countries with more people and money, more people and money mean more problems. BUT!!! There is another way to look at this situation, which to me makes our country ( you know the one with all the guns ) look so much better than the rest of the world. If you really put on your thinking cap and think, the U.S should have much more shootings than it does now ( not that I'm pushing for such a thing ) but lets look at Detroit. You have Jews in Oak Park Michigan living right across the street from Arabs, and within a mile or so of a large German community. Dearborn Mi. Half Muslim half Christian, and bordered by a black community, now to me its seems their should be much more fighting. Show me another country in the world where so many cultures come together and for the most part work peacefully together. And I know everyone is tired of hearing that guns don't kill people, people kill people. But unfortunately for the most part it is true, stupid people with guns either kill or cause to be killed by guns. I vote for getting rid of the stupid people, then we wouldn't have to worry about guns. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Kjowers194@cs.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:45 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #243 In a message dated 5/15/00 11:15:42 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Roan Kalani Grimm Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:29:25 -0600 >> REFERENCE TO THE KIND WORD FOR L.E.O.'s : Thank you. Ken ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:52:52 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: get centered people > and lobbyists that can take numbers ( statistics ) and turn them 6 ways > from sunday to fit their agenda, its what they do its what their paid to > do. Hell people who have mastered the law and the English language, > couple with statistic experts can make anything look or sound legit. Numbers are not statistics. That is just the point. Most people don't have the time, nor do they take the time, to learn how to tell proper design of an experiment (i.e. statistics) with improper. Yes, it is an advanced graduate level topic, but this is where it is the journalist's job to take the time and get their study info from well refereed journals. e.g., take the study that attempts to 'show' that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill someone you know than to kill a criminal. However the data from that same study can also be used to 'show' that a gun kept in the home is 32 times more likely to stop a crime than kill anyone, friend or foe. My point? That is a worthless study. Did the statistics lie? Only to the uninformed. The study didn't start with a proper hypothesis. Yet another case of people grabbing some data and then attempting to detmine what they can 'prove' from it. Statistics don't lie, liars lie. > I vote for getting rid of the stupid people, then we wouldn't have to > worry about guns. But I worry if someone will decide to classify me as stupid... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #245 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.