From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #246 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 16 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 246 In this issue: eskrima: Web site update...and other stuff eskrima: Crafty--- you suprise me eskrima: a hard lesson eskrima: Names of the Datus eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #244 eskrima: Guns & Knives Re: eskrima: Web site update...and other stuff Re: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #244 Re: eskrima: Guns & Knives eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #245 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chad Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Web site update...and other stuff 1. First off, the web sit at http://www.fullcontacthi.com has been updated. There is a new "article" on self descovery titled "10 Strike Sub System" and a fighter biography page. Kalani, do we have your approval on your pic and bio? 2. On Massad Ayoob-Thanks Animal, do you have his web address? 3. >>keep in mind that urban warfare is the most dangerous warfare >>around. Very true, Kalani, just look at the Los Angeles riots. BTW, hope the fire up in New Mexico hasn't hit to close to home for anyone. 4. Jocelyn-cat owner? Oh, woof woof. Seriously though, about 2 years back, James and I had a little discussion about biting. He didn't believe it would work, he walked away with a bite in his side and on his shoulder, believing in it. And about a year ago(I believe Stuart was there), James and I had a discussion about pinching and clawing, and walked away believing. I think James now pinches and bites in close. Somthing else to remember though is that there are blood born and transported deseases. That is your risk anytime you choose to tear skin or involve body fluids. I think Jocelyn had the point when she said it is that split second that will give you the opening. Yes, if a person thinks that it will end the fight and it is the best thing since this digest than they are in for a big suprise. Once when James and Leroy went to the ground, James got the stick choke on Leroy, but because he had a big bib on his mask(new rule, no more bibs) he couldn't feel it. Leroy than decided to slide his free hand under James' bib and poked his middle finger into James' throat. I am sure this could have been done to the eyes to get a similiar effect. Question to Kalani here, have you had any experiences with this here. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another should or should not."-Chad W. Getz ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:44:29 EDT Subject: eskrima: Crafty--- you suprise me Crafty Dog, I must admit that i am suprised(pleasantly) that you came down on the side of the gun issue where you did.I guess i had you pegged as a California Liberal-:)---.I guess that just shows how dumb I had it figured.Duh Duh to me.Maybe It was Sen.Boxer (i think)on Politiclly Correct that had me throwing shoes at the T.V.!!! Not only that but you stroked one for Reagan!!!! Hey,I guess Southern Cal won't fall off into the ocean or be hit with the mother of all earthquakes afterall. May you always have lots of Dog Chow and never a Tick or tape worm. Barry ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:52:56 -0400 Subject: eskrima: a hard lesson First Ray Wrote: > But I worry if someone will decide to classify me as stupid... :) > You Ray!!! Never you're the Grand Poobah, my idol, along with Crafty and Doc. All you old dudes :-) Any ways point is Ray any group that is determined to get their point across will come up with some kind of finding of their own. And just to clarify my stance, I'm with you all the way, I just would like to see people be more responsible, that's my ideal of gun control. Now back to MA enough Gun Fu, I happen to see my neighbor today with a huge cast on his hand. I am not particularly fond of this neighbor to begin with. To much of a partier, burn out type, but I try to be social. Any ways he told me he got into a fight on the job site ( no surprise ) he hit some guy in the jaw, and scattered his hand so bad he may actually lose some movement in it. Which is kind of weird since I was just talking to students this morning about the importance of not punching to the head or face. Even the most untrained person doesn't want to get hit in the face and will flinch or shy away from a punch in which case you can end up punching him in the crown of the head and doing as much damage to your self as you do him. I have noticed a lot of the FMA's that have a heavy karate influence like Modern Arnis with its Shotokan influence tend to punch more than the more traditional arts, like the PT that I learned or Balintawak, I was wondering about the other methods, like Serrada, Doce Pares ect... Rocky ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:56:06 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Names of the Datus > From: "Ernest Westbrook" > Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:08:05 GMT > Subject: eskrima: A Research Project - need the names > > A friend asked me for some help with a research project and he is seeking the > names of those people who have been awarded the title of "Datu" by Professor > Remy Presas of the International Modern Arnis system. > > Please, just send me the names - I am not interested in starting a contoversy - > just the names. > > Thanks, > > EBrook Hi Ernest: there are 4 people, who have been awarded with the Datu title by Professor Remy Presas up to now. The names you are looking for are: Datu Shishir Inocalla (I think from Canada) Datu Kelly Worden from Tacoma/WA Datu Ric Jornales (I don´t know where he is from) Datu Dieter Knüttel, Germany Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions E-Mail: dk@abanico.de Internet: http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative Internet: http://www.modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: ptbernd@gmx.de Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:12:01 +0200 Subject: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #244 I wrote: > Of course, it is easier for the people to revolt and set up a revolution - > fighting for freedom with a gun in their hands, but I would like to mention > for the second time the revolution and reunion of the DDR - without any guns > this time, and therefore nobody died. Mark Denny wrote: > Umm, may I suggest you are forgetting NATO, the United States and > President Reagan? Are we talking about cold war and nuclear power or about the gun-laws (One could say that it is the same discussion ;-) )? Of course, the politicians having big guns in their back made that possible, too. But, this was not my intention, I want to point out that to be free is possible without shooting. I imagine what could have happend if the people in the DDR had weapons. (Boring "If-Game" again, I Know!). Again, allowing guns or not is IMHO not only a question of good and bad, it is a question of different history and socialization as we have in the US and in Germany!!!! What is good here may not be good somewhere else! Another view: As a Pekiti Tirsia training man I used to carry a knife, of course - because of the same reason - defending myself. Now, being a teacher I cannot bring a knife in school and forbit that to the students. When I was carrying the knife I was always strained, always thinking about "Oh, this guy is bad" etc. I was always on the way to use it. Since I left it home I am much more relaxed. I would think that it is the same with guns. If you carry one you think the whole time about when to use it??? Bernd Giller, Germany ptbernd@gmx.de ------------------------------ From: Ludwig Schwarz Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:32:33 +0200 (MEST) Subject: eskrima: Guns & Knives > >the bad guys. If no shop or factory is near, you have to import > weapons, i.e. > >smuggle them over the border, which is a task only big organizations > can > >manage. > > So, there will be fewer guns overall but the percentage of ownership > swings > more heavily toward those willing to break the law to get them? I'm not > sure > I'd like THAT trend... Weeeellll, nothing is perfect ;-) But on the whole, you are less likely to be shot. > .hmm... Weapons are not innately offensive OR defensive. One can't > reliably > block a decent attack from a knife or sword either. Bad guy pulls a > blade, if > you have time, YOU pull a blade. He either runs away or attacks. I was more thinking of the scenario: "A helpless person (could be your grandma) is mugged, she is pissed of and don't want do give away her purse, mugger cuts her arm/face/whatever to intimidate her, takes the money and runs." Normally with a few stitches you can resolve that, and all that ist left is some ugly scars. With a gun: "Grandma doesn't let go the purse, mugger shots her in the chest and she bleeds to death". So, ON THE AVERAGE: Guns bad! ;-) > Well, with all due respect, in Vietnam, the French and Americans both > had bigger guns and still got their/our asses handed to them/us. (No > disrespect to any Vietnam veterans, you all have my sincerest > thanks...hell, ALL the veterans out there have my sincerest thanks! > BTW, I'm a former jarhead!! ;-) And as to civil disobedience, it's all > a question of time and PLACE. Ghandi would not have been successful as > a Jew in the Third Reich. Hell, look at Tiannenman (sp?) Square. And > if a squad of soldiers comes to my house and I resist, they shoot me > dead. Yeah, no argument there. But if a squad of soldiers comes to my > neighborhood and the neighborhood resists, they get whacked. Keep in > mind that urban warfare is the most dangerous warfare around. There is > not enough military strength in the world to securely occupy even Los > Angeles if all the residents fought back with firearms. Funny, I always cite the same arguments, but draw different conclusions ;-) You are all expecting the imaginary dictator to act like a civilized Government, i e. SPARE THE INNOCENTS. But that's exactly what they don't do! In Vietnam, America could have won on purely millitary terms, but they couldn't burn down the whole Jungle because people all over the world was protesting about the innocent civilians killed Tiananmen: That is exactly what happens in a totalitarian regime when people muck up: The military gets tanks ("bigger guns"), and guns them down. And if all people in Los Angeles fight back with handguns, they either use gas (Saddam Hussein did it, against the Kurds), bomb the whole Place in the Ground (The Russians are doing it in Grosny, Tchetchenia), or just drop a nuclear bomb. They just don't care about the bystanders killed! That's why terrorist organizations work so well in democratic countries, where you need a search warrant to enter a suspect's home, etc. while they never worked under Stalin, Hitler, etc. who would just kill, torture, assassinate the suspects or in doubt, blast the whole town into pieces. Sorry, I don't believe in the "totalitarian" argument. Countries like England have never had a dictatorial government, even if they were never allowed to carry firearms. Countries like Spain, where a lot of people owned firearms before the civil war, fell under the rule of a fascist government. Sure, it costed a few million lives, and three years of a very, very bloody civil war, but on the end, the guys with the bigger guns won the war. It's just a question of luck..... > Okay, I'm done. Peace, respect and an open mind. > Aloha, Kalani Well, I could not agree more with you on this ;-) Let's finish the argument, shall we? No pro- and anti-gun any more. Everyone can read and draw his (or her) own conclusions, as Ray said Ludwig - -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 6:55:32 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Web site update...and other stuff > > 2. On Massad Ayoob-Thanks Animal, do you have his web address? > It is ayoob.com. Check my list of firearms training schools on our website. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 7:01:13 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #244 > I cannot bring a knife in school and forbit that to the students. When I was > carrying the knife I was always strained, always thinking about "Oh, this > guy is bad" etc. I was always on the way to use it. Since I left it home I > am much more relaxed. I am just the opposite. Knowing that I have at least a basic weapon to use to defend myself and those around me makes me far more relaxed. Not so relaxed as to lapse into condition white, but remain in condition yellow. In the same fashion, I'd much rather have a friendly neighboor next door that has a weapon in the house rahter than one that can't help me if I'm in real trouble. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 7:08:40 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Guns & Knives > Sorry, I don't believe in the "totalitarian" argument. Countries like > England have never had a dictatorial government, even if they were never > allowed to carry firearms. It is interesting to study the history of gun control in the UK. Until the early 1900s there were minimal controls on firearms in the UK. They began collecting crime data c1865. We can see that their crime rates were low even when guns were freely available, i.e. eliminating guns has not reduced their crime, they've always had relatively low crime. So, why did the government impose gun control upon 'the people' of the UK? After the Czar was overthrown by 'the people' in Russia, those in control thought, umm, what if 'the people' decide to overthrow our government? To reduce that possibility they started collecting the guns. The government knows better than the people... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:54:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #245 I suppose what bothers me the most about the Million Mom March is that they are raising fears about things which not as dangerous as they seem. They are raising fears about "Eye Candy" type fears, not about realistic fears. The most dangerous person in a child's life is their mother, 55% of children murdered are murdered by their mother. 61% of child abuse is committed by the mother, 38% by the father. You are more likely to get killed by lighting the a school shooting. You are more likely to die in an airline accident (900 a year) than a firearm accident (700 a year). About 630 children are murdered by firearms per year, about 2 a day, not the 12 per day Clinton says. Most teenagers who are murdered are gang members or hang out with gang members. Instead of trying to stop the flow of gangs into the suburbs and cripple them in the cities, they act as if every firearm is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Cars kill 10 times more children then guns do, and there is not right to own a car. I suppose that the biggest problem in the USA is that we will ignore a problem or something we don't like until something big happens, then we will attack a thing instead of the root human problem. Violence begins long before someone makes a fist or grabs a firearm, it starts in the home. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #246 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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