From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #252 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 17 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 252 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #251 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #251 eskrima: Steel Bars eskrima: RE twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? eskrima: sundry eskrima: Re: URL for "The Kick" mpeg Subject: eskrima: twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #249 eskrima: the kick (repost) eskrima: twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? eskrima: Re: Weapon philosophy and FMA eskrima: Re: Tale of 4 Datus eskrima: Re: Twirling Bars [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Igarta Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #251 Just a FYI to all members, there is a new book out about Guro Inosanto. I believe the book is titled "Dan Inosanto: The Man, the Myth the Legend" or something similar to that. I know it can be bought at Amazon.com, because I just bought it. I personally would like to see a book written by Tuhon McGrath he always writes very interesting and thought provoking articles. Check out our website - http://www.fullcontacthi.com ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ ------------------------------ From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:19:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #251 <> I'd recommend not watching the stick anyway. It will move faster than you will be able to follow. Watch the body with peripheral vision if possible by gazing (not focusing) on the chest. Perhaps some guys on the list tend to do that outside the dojo as well. If you have a vision problem like tunnel vision, I'd try to watch the biceps / shoulder area. Try it out using different approaches. You may find that you need to always looka eye Daniel Son. Some Eskrima practioners train themselves not to blink due to the speed of our art. Any non-blinkers out there? See you in the sticks, Dale ------------------------------ From: "Cory Eicher" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:18:18 CDT Subject: eskrima: Steel Bars Two topics to respond to: First, FMA is certainly my primary focus, though we also train American and Thia boxing and some Silat. This is primarily due to my incredible luck in stumbling, thorugh no fualt of my own, into a friendship with a great teacher. If I had stumbled in a similar way into a friedship with say, a kenpo practitioner with a similarly open mind it may have been a different story. As it is I am extremely satisfied. Second, I feel that swinging serious weight can really help. to quote Top Dog from one of the Dog Brother's tapes, 'When I say vary your weight,' (clanks togehter big steel pipes) 'I mean really vary your weight.' After which he begins an incredibly smooth six count. Using my own heavy metal sticks, I've found a few benefits. There is the obvious wrist-and-forearm workout, but heavy sticks also help expand the range of motion in my wrists. Outside of direct effects to the wrists, working any sort of flow pattern with a heavy stick is excellent practice in mechanics. Obviously it is harder to alter the direction of a big heavy stick than a smaller one, and as a result I find myself using my arms less and my hip motion more to angle and direct counters and shots. Work up to it slowly, but sometime try sombrada with metal sticks. It's amazing how quickly everything becomes more efficient, which usually translates into both 'faster' and 'more powerful' when the heavy sticks are replaced with the more usual lighter ones. I started out using long pieces of 3/4 inch rebar with tape around one end, but between rebar's tendency to rip up skin and the tape coming off slowly I abandoned that option in favor of 1 and 1/4 inch steel pipe cut down to size. They are slightly heavier than the rebar and the grip is a little more slippery (it doesn't mater how strong your wrists and arms are if you just can't hold on to the stick) which is good. Make sure to sand/file the cut ends though, they can be extremely sharp. Start with basic warm ups, upward and downward figure 8, downward 6, etc. And start SLOW! It is really easy to strain or pull a muscle in the wrist or forearm if you try to say, throw a full speed abinico. Once you are fairly comfortable with that (it shouldn't take too long) start working solo drills, counters, seguidas, the 64 attacks, etc. Then move on to slow sombrada, lock-and-block, back and forth, whatever. Remember, start slow and be controlled, especially with a partner. It's easy to crack a knuckle with that much weight behind even a little slip. Things that are merely painful with light and relatively soft rattan or wood are dangerous with steel. I've found that the pipes really add to my weight training and they are an excellent addition to any solo workout. Take care all, Cory ========================================= Learn everything you can. Use everything that works. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:18:12 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RE twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? Good idea? till ya drop it on your foot or hit yourself in the head because ya got distracted. or you can do what I do and I use wrist and ankle weights wile I swing the sticks around. I could not get more then 2 lb wrist weights but I was able to get up to 15 lbs ankle weights so I alternate the weights on my wrists depending on how much I want to work my arms. " J bows deeply to you" ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:37:22 -0700 Subject: eskrima: sundry A Howl etc: > Crafty - Good to see another Libertarian-type on the list. > Some of the most die hard women gun advocates I know are rape survivors. > I know that the gun is only one of many possible tools. I know its > limitations. I do not own one (yet). But I will not give up my right to > equality when the sh*t hits the fan. > > I don't need the government to give me equal rights. All I need is for it to > stop trying to take them away. > > Meghan Gardner One of the things that let me know when I met her that my Cindy was a little different was the NRA sticker in the windshield of her '55 Cherry Red Chevy with glasspack pipes on a big V-8. > Reading the recent posts about people's first encounter with FMA I was > wondering what proportion of list members would consider themselves > primarily FMA practioners, as opposed to say JKD or kempo and a bit of kali > on the side, as it were. > > Guro Crafty > > I am looking forward to finally meeting you at the weekend, have a safe > journey. > > > Mabuhay > Jon Likewise! In answer to your question I consider FMA to be my core, and JKDC to be my philosophy. To my way of thinking the FMA are thoroughly JKD. Just read what the various masters have to say in PG Sulite's book "Masters of Arnis, Kali and Escrima" and many of them sound just like Bruce Lee (or he like them-- they are older!) Of course BJJ is a major influence, and there are others: Jun Fan, and under the Majapahit concept KK, Bukti Negara and Bando come to mind. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:40:55 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: URL for "The Kick" mpeg > From: Cplr50@aol.com > Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:44:43 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Re: The Kick > Could somebody be kind enought to post that "The Kick" address again. it > would seem that my delete button got the better of me during a hack and burn > session in my e-mail box... > > Thanks > Stone Hi the adress for downloading "THE KICK" mpeg is http://www.abanico.de/html_e/index_e.html and then klick the "button news/offers" at the top of the page, just beside the german flag. Unter the "under construction" you find the mpeg and can download it from there. You can find lots of interesting MA and FMA instructional videos there too ;-) Best regards Dieter - --- Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions E-Mail: dk@abanico.de Internet: http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative Internet: http://www.modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: "Maytin, Jose" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:53:52 -0400 Subject: Subject: eskrima: twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? >From: p.taylor@talk21.com >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:03:53 BS > >Subject: eskrima: twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? > >twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? > >I'm now considering stepping up the weight of my training aid by cutting a piece of steal rod and using that to twirl. The PAH is now quite >comfortable and I think the extra weight would benefit the practise. My only concern is that I may not be doing my wrists any favours by >doing this. I do tend to twirl the PAH slowly so I don't damage my wrists and I would do the same with the bar. I'm still in two minds as to >whether it would be of benefit to me. So is it a good idea or not? > >Paul From: maytin@pbworld.com Paul, Twirling metal bars is a good idea. In Pekiti-Tirsia we've done it since day one. (okay, maybe day two). Just go to a hardware store and pick up 3/4 inch galvanized steel pipe of at least 28 inches. Swinging the extra weight begins to naturally tighten your arc and leads to more compact motion. (Especially as your arm tires). Since the action is slower you become more aware of your own stick motions as you shadow box. You may want to tape the stick for a good grip or run a rope around your wrist. When you get tired the grip eases and on a hard swing it's easy to send the stick flying. No "hard" witiks though. That might hurt the wrist. Later ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #249 Tuhon McGrath said: >>(ask me about "Gun Seguidas" some time) You got my attention. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Phil Tong" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:58:18 -0700 Subject: eskrima: the kick (repost) From: Chad Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re:Back Kick >>I don't want to download this file just yet. Ray, or someone, >>could you describe in detail what this kick looks like and >>how effective it is? Uhhh...very effective. Everyone should see this right now. In case you forgot the address is http://www.abanico.de/html_e/index_e.html and you should definitely enjoy it. Owch. ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:30:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: p.taylor@talk21.com > Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:03:53 BST > Subject: eskrima: twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? > > twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? > > I can often be seen wandering around my house twirling a pick axe handle, primarily to develop the strength in my wrists. Although it has had the added benefit of scaring away to annoying guy that would knock on the door every two weeks trying to sell me bulk frozen fish, when I open the door with it one day. Anyway to my point, I'm now considering stepping up the weight of my training aid by cutting a piece of steal rod and using that to twirl. The PAH is now quite comfortable and I think the extra weight would benefit the practise. My only concern is that I may not be doing my wrists any favours by doing this. I do tend to twirl the PAH slowly so I don't damage my wrists and I would do the same with the bar. I'm still in two minds as to whether it would be of benefit to me. So is it a good idea or not? > Although I certainly do not have the weapons training experience of most of the people in this group, I can comment on my use of training with water pipes. You can purchase cheap water pipes in at any hardware store. I own a few in lengths of 23" and 32". Tape up or grind down the threaded ends. I lost about a fifth of the skin on my palm a number of years ago due to a rip from an untaped end. Duhh. Also, I popped the canvas on a heavy bag because my tape job missed part of an end. I've swung pipes for years. They're great for strength, but you need to be aware of how they can mess you up. Start with smooth, rodonda motions in sinawalli patterns. When I practiced Serrada movements and sinawalli motions with abrupt direction changes or motion stops, my upper forearm tendons were strained severely. After two months rest from the pipes, they're better. The pipes are great for developing body mechanics because your arms are not strong enough to move these without the body rotation. Also, avoid over the head maneuvers when your hands tire. I've clocked my skull a number of times. Also, be careful with the low strikes of sinawalli patterns. When you clip an elbow with a pipe, you'll remember the experience much longer than with a clip from rattan. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Weapon philosophy and FMA I think Tuhon McGrath hit the nail right on the head. In the totality of combat, how can one deny the effectiveness of a gun? This is not a "gun" digest though, so I won't go into that. One question that people commonly ask me is "What do you teach? Escrima, Kali, or Arnis?". I advertise as "The Philippine Fighting Arts" because of this. I tell the people that my goal is to have the students become comfortable in a physical confrontation against single or multiple opponents with or without weapons. (Even if feeling comfortable means running away from 5 guys with bats and chains) I think alot of people get trapped into becoming a "Filipino Martial Artist". Doesn't this bind one into limitations? I like to use terms along the lines of "self preservation, defense, or fighting" using the Philippine Fighting Arts as a vehicle to take you there. Now there is nothing wrong with using the terms Kali, Arnis, or escrima. I also use the term "Escrima" generically because that is the term that my instructor used. I also use the terms Kali or Arnis whenever speaking of the particular instructors or styles that claim it. My point here is not of use or mis-use of the terms, as they are all valid. My point is the use of your mind to break the limitations of being "Filipino Martial Artist" by only using what is "taught" as "FMA". In Hawaii, I hear alot of people talking alot about "traditional" FMA. Full contact sparring the way the Dog Brothers or we do it is not "traditional". I have actually had people tell me that I am missing the whole point of the FMA. I couldn't believe what I just heard. Wasn't/Isn't the whole point of the FMA originally to defend oneself, family, and land using combat? I was always taught that one of the unique things about the FMA was that whenever an enemy came to the PI, they found the calaban's weakness' and strengths, adapted, and made it better. I believe in learning the traditional art and then begin adaption to make it fit you. Isn't traditional FMA ever evolving? Past, Present, and Future. For example, the use of grappling world wide is so practiced that it has evolved now and everywhere you turn you see a grappler. Actually I don't know about everywhere else, but that is how it is in Hawaii(the place is so small). Because of this grappling evolution, are we to use our "old" techniques against this higher level that they have now. I don't want to, so I try to evolve myself. Pekiti Tirsia is an example of evolving with the teaching of gun use/control, etc. Since weapons change, don't we have new options that need to be taught AND practiced. ASP batons, pepper spray(people actually buy this, put it on their key chain, never try it or practice with it, and actually think that they will be able to use it when they need it and get this thing called an adrenaline dump come crashing around their ears???), keys, shoes(I like to think of this as a good weapon against a knife, if you have nothing), etc., etc. How many things have been invented that we carry on our person since 1512? DBMA mixture of MA from the PI, Thailand, Burma, Brazil is also an example. It's kind of like owning a car, yet still understanding how to drive a forklift, diesel truck, etc. Anyway, that was too long and everytime I write, I get carried off into another topic, so.... ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Tale of 4 Datus >>I guess you mean the issue 8/1998, where Professor Presas is on the >>cover and >>inside there is >>a chapter. Modern Arnis: "The new Generation" >>These are some of his top instructors, but not Datus. That is the one, and you are correct. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Twirling Bars >>twirling metal bars -good or bad idea? Good idea. Just ask Stuart or James about my forearms, they are my pride and joy.;) Actually, I'm running late and got to go back to work, maybe Top Dog can jump in on this one(is he still here?). Anyone want to start a thread on double sticks again, I've been thinking alot about this lately. I'll post on the subj of heavy bars later today. Got to go. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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