From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #262 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 24 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 262 In this issue: eskrima: sport chanbara eskrima: Re: Motorcycle Gloves eskrima: Re: Motorcycle Gloves eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #261 eskrima: Formal Public Post to IESA eskrima: Re: eskrima: Kumusta! From Cebu, Philippines. eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #261 eskrima: Bucks ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:13:57 PDT Subject: eskrima: sport chanbara Hey All, I went to the website that Ray fwd in the last digest. I saw that they had chanbara. Has anyone every seen/competed in one of these tourney's? Please share your idea's or feeling. I kind of looks fun and have considered entering for the hell of it. For those who don't know chanbara is super-soft foam "sparring" simiulating different edge weapons. Vince ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Motorcycle Gloves James had actually fought with these a little after I started using football linebacker gloves. I believe he said the grip wasn't too good. BTW, James has subscribed to the digest but won't be on until Ray returns from Ohio. I am very excited to be having the three of us on the digest now. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com and visit Chad's Corner-Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do."-Me as Myself Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Motorcycle Gloves From: "Phil Tong" Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:37:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: hand protection for sparring > don't know if this was proposed before > > motorcycle type of gloves! You can check out http://fullcontacthi.com/chad/sunday/100799.htm it talks about James' leather moped gloves. The "first-tier" fighters(as Crafty put it) for full contacthi is up on the bio page. Still waiting for Kalani and Big Joe. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com and visit Chad's Corner-Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do."-Me as Myself Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Stuart Igarta Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #261 I know Chad will respond to Patrick Davies question but I just wanted to put my two cents in. Patrick wrote: This seems to be a misconception that some have of the full contact clubs that exist and one I daresay the fc guys do like to exagerate. I don't mean that as an offensive criticism but this is a good thread. At what intensity do you train at and how often do you go at maximum? When we first started going full contact we use to go at it about 2 - 3 times a week. Balls to the wall, no holding back. Then we later switched to once a week and then once a month and now its been about 4 months since I last went full contact. I'm going to be thirty-nine this year and most of my opponents are in their early twenties. To be honest I just don't recover as quickly as they do. I still like going full contact but once a week is very hard on my older body. Stuart Check out our website - http://www.fullcontacthi.com ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:55:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Formal Public Post to IESA Dear Bob & the Leadership of IESA, Who I am is a human being committed that people have access to places and avenues for full self-expression and an opportunity to make a difference in the world. I am committed that love (full acceptance) and passion (full joy) become part of the everyday landscape of human interaction. In the process of this commitment I am very aware of the times I have fallen short of my intent and of when I allowed my fears to stop my actions. At the same time, I remain present to the miracle of my life and the lives I touch. As I read the whole thread on title and degrees I was quite aware of how judgmental I was being. I realized I was being hypocritical: Since leaving IESA I had found a space to honor and respect the beliefs of other organizations that held their top person as the "one" and their need to defend that title at all cost. As I read and watched you do the same thing that I once did I sat in a space of judgment, and sadness. I request that you accept my apology of judging you, Sultan, and the organization. I choose to write and apologize in alignment with my commitments in the world. I give up my judgments to be a clearing for peace and love. The root meaning of forgive is" to give as before." I choose to give to you and the organization the same listening and appreciation that I gave you when I taught as "Kimball's" top student. I honor your commitment and passion to Sultan and IESA. In judging you I was judging myself. I had made myself wrong for spending so much of my time and effort promoting what I later came to call "his cause." I would have done anything for that dream. I forgot the freedom, energy, and unreasonableness I had available to me at any given moment during that time of my life. I forgot the difference we made: with ourselves, with our students, and the communities we touched. I look forward to your response and to meeting with you. Sincerely, Elrik Gubisch Jundis Director School of Pilipino Martial Arts (415) 601-2735 Former Director 92-96 International Eskrima Serrada Association I assert that as warriors we have a commitment to stand by what is so, our commitments, and what works with all of our being. I know this interaction is not unique and has transpired between many a master and student: a break that was/is perceived as un-reconcilable. This was originally going to be a private letter. I share this knowing that there are many wounds in the FMA that want to heal and that they can. It is a road to be freely chosen. I thank Bob, IESA, Sultan, and the entire ED for this opportunity for clarity and to make a difference. ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:12:08 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: GatPuno@aol.com, wrote: >Subject: eskrima: Modern Arnis/Remy Presas > >Dear ED member, > >I was reading this Modern Arnis topics. I have nothing against their >art >and their founder. > > >On 1993 Prof. Remy Presas give a Seminar here in Coral Spring >Florida, we >got a chance to meet again after long years of not >seeing. He almost not >recognised me but when I told him some stories >he finally remember me. He >was accompanied with Pages from >S.Carolina. Prof. Remy offer me to open a >School of Modern Arnis Here >in Miami and promised me that he will make me >the highest Modern >Arnis Rank here in the US. I have to say that i have heard similar stories about Professor Presas doing this kind of thing. Why does he do this? >I choosse to teach the Garimot System that I started, back in 1989 >here in >Miami. You made a wise choice on both counts. >But he took one of my students asked him to go to his Seminar in > >Massachuset and came back with the 5th Degree Blackbelt Certificate >and >telling others that I learm from this guy. His name was Adam >Castillo a >three months student of mine turned 5th degree blackbelt >in few day >seminar. I have met and talked with a couple of people who were at the summer camp where Adam Castillo was introduced by Professor *and* given the rank of 5th degree black belt in Modern Arnis. To make matters worse, Professor Presas, then asked several of his lower ranked black belt instructors to *teach* Adam. Since I have heard this story from 4 different people and they all were in attendence at the camp, I have to believe that Gat Puno Beat is giving us the straight scoop on this matter. >My points is how many Modern Arnis has to go through the same pattern >as >Adam to become high ranking Blackbelt of Modern Arnis in few days. I would tend to believe that there are not many. I have met a number of people with modern arnis training and ranks. They all worked to some degree to earn their gradings. Adam Castillo is only person that I can recall who was *given* a black belt. >I hear the same stories to someone else.. I love Ama(Father) Remy >that >how I called him to me he still one of my mentor. But I cannnot >believed >what is happening in his arts. God bless him hopefully you >guys controll >this on happenings. its dis- grading the art of Arnis >in General. The problem is in the leadership of the organization, when it comes to this kind of problem. Only the leadership can change the problem. >I am sorry I have to voice this out its been a long time I keep it in >my >chest. I am not saying you Modern Arnis Instructor out there are >all >bogus, I believed some are. You point is well taken and I would agree that some people are not as well qualified for the ranking that they have been given, but there are some very good modern arnis players in the U.S.. >Its hard to know who is who also in Modern Arnis. This is because the focus of the organization, the seminars, camps and magazine articles is centralized on one person. This is not the case in some other organizations. >Gumagalang ng Lubos/with high respect, > >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >Laguna Arnis Federation International >US Harimaw Buno Federation I hpope that this situation will be changed in the immediate future, but I do have my doubts. EBrook ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Villafuerte" Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:25:58 GMT Subject: eskrima: Kumusta! From Cebu, Philippines. Kumusta! From Cebu, Philippines, Thank you for inviting me to this open furom of FMA. My name is Vincent, and I've been learning Teovel Balintawak for almost 1 year. My instructor is M. Monie Velez, whose father was the late GM. Teofilo Velez, whom this group is named after. Nong Monie's 1st exposure and primary influence was under his father, and later in life under M. Tinong Ybanez. Teovel's senior instructors/Masters are: Nong Chito Velez, Monie's older brother and the current Teovel Balintawak GM. And, Eddie Velez, Monies' younger brother. As well as, M. Nick Elizar. Like many escrima styles/systems Teovel is composed of stick fighting (of couse) as the primary foundation to learning the knife and barehand fighting. I'm particularly interested to exchange ideas with other Balintawak practitioners in the United States (Balin. Arnis Cuentada, Traditional Balin., Balin. International, etc.) and Canada (Villasin Balin.). Of interest to me, are the method of instruction and the practitioners own expression of Balintawak. I welcome any inquiries about FMA in Cebu. Again, Thank you for having me as a member of your forum. Vincent ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: BillyJa695@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:42:02 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #261 In a message dated 5/23/00 11:52:34 AM, Ray wrote: >Brian asks where in Ohio... Ironton. > >Go Bucks! :) > >Ray Not too far from here :-) Nice try with the "Go Bucks" since I ain't no Buckeye fan :-) Brian ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Bucks > Nice try with the Go Bucks as I ani't no Buckeye fan. But I am... OSU grad. Ray ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #262 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.