From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #267 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 29 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 267 In this issue: eskrima: Datu's [none] eskrima: Re: Dr. Fung and Sigung Lee eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #266 eskrima: Philippines Datu Rank M.Arnis eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #266 eskrima: Filipino Martial Arts: Theory and Practice book eskrima: Re: History of the FMA's in Europe eskrima: Re: Fighting and sparring eskrima: Contact Sparring vs. Fighting eskrima: Full Contact Animated GIFs and Video [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "billlowery" Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:49:19 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Datu's Hi Jon, Two days prior to the Remy Presas seminar in Birmignham I brought up the subject of the Datu title with David and his response was that he was awarded the title Datu in 1993 but has only just started to use it for advertising purposes. Bill Lowery > From: "Jonathan Broster" > Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 16:51:14 GMT > Subject: eskrima: Modern Arnis Datus > > I am sorry to return to the subject of who is or is not a Datu in modern > arnis, but I just attended a very enjoyable seminar with Remy Presas hosted > by David Hoffman. > > They were selling Modern Arnis UK t-shirts with the IMAF logo and "Datu > David Hoffman" on them, so he obviously thinks that he is. > > Mabuhay > > Jon ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:12:16 +0800 Subject: [none] >And neither Willie >Madla, nor Rodel Dagoog or Roland Dantes used this title. First met Rollie when I got a membership in his gym (weight training) in '77, never heard him use the title. In the Mid 80's I hosted a fitness show on TV and he was one of the invited guests, introed him as "Master" he refused the title stating he was just a "practitioner". Have to admire that. LPIII ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Bikendova" Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:37:43 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr. Fung and Sigung Lee Plenty of Bruce Lee quotations from Dr. Fung. I wonder if Bruce himself wanted the title "sigung," which of course would make him a hypocrite of sorts, or if it just his followers who insist on deifying him. But more to the point, what the heck does Bruce have to do with any discussion on the reality of fighting? We are talking about a guy who basically never fought, did a bunch of kickboxing type sparring with huge pillow gloves and headgear, and really never addressed weapons at all. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Dave & Heather Fulton" Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:44:05 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #266 > >From: "q" >Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:24:07 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: what-is-the-point? to your "EDGE" > > >> "Full contact sparring what's the point?" We think of FCF as a laboratory >> where you can experiment with the system to find out what works and what >> doesn't. > >Very well said. I would add...what works and what doen't at that particular >point in one's understanding and physical reflection of that system. You >see it is amazing what now works for me that did not work for me earlier. I >just had to grow up a bit. That is another reason for Guru I's reminder to >all his students that he is not teacher enough. We each have to do personal >research. Those on this list who had access and keys to the old academy's >can attest to that. Guro felt this was so important that he freely gave out >keys to the store so to speak. > > >> "Hunt for Magic".> >> Respectfully, >> >> Dave Fulton > >Dave I really like this phrase! > > Yes, I agree with your addition of "... at that particular point in one's understanding and physical reflection of that system." It's a given that your understanding will evolve if the process is done correctly. I agree that FCF isn't "fighting" in the sense of a street fight, and also that FCF isn't the ultimate expression of the FMA, but I do consider it critical to: developing fighting skill, validating the theories and of course the "Hunt for Magic". As to my personal approach, I treat their stick as a blade and attempt (and I do mean attempt) to avoid all contact with it while delivering my own attacks. It doesn't matter (to me) what I manage to land if I get hit ... I consider myself the looser of that exchange because I know that you can't afford to trade blows with blades. I approach it this way because my main reason for training is to be prepared to defend myself and my family and my hope is that if I am ever in a real fight (where malice & blades are involved) my trained responses won't get me killed. I wish I could take credit for the POV of FCF as a laboratory and a vehicle in the "Hunt for Magic", but I get that from my Guro, David Wink. Respectfully, Dave Fulton Full Contact Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:32:46 EDT Subject: eskrima: Philippines Datu Rank M.Arnis In a message dated 5/28/00 6:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: <<=20 I also don=B4t know, if Remy used the title already in the Philippines. I don=B4t think so though. But it would be interesting to hear from somebody who was there at that time. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet must have been there at that time on the Philippines. Was the title used there too by people in the Modern Arnis? There is no reference to Datu in the book of 1974. And neither Willie Madla, nor Rodel Dagoog or Roland Dantes used this title. And as far as I know, these 3 were some of the closest persons to Remy when he was still in the Philippines early 70ies. >> NO Datu rank Remy Presas give to anyone in the Philippines, that I recall.=20 Lakanes only or Blackbelt ranks. This is a new thing that Remy made it up to= =20 promote higher ranking belts probabaly than Lakanes. TY, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:16:53 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #266 arlan writes: << )Training in Martial arts has always (mostly) been a way to organize the most winning ways of fighting, the losers didn't have much to teach. >> dont think that's true - many fighters have won becuase of thier owm abilites - - no matter how much i train to be just like bruce lee, i dont have his physical attributes, and therefore i can never be as successful as him, using his techniques - no matter how many train like hickson, there's only one hickson - do you think you could drive a nail in you foot then into the ground and win fights the way illustrisimo did? - on the other side of the coin how great of a fighter was angelo dundee? just cause someone might not have the physical attributes to make him a warrior - doesnt mean he cant be a great teacher - makes me think of napolean - i'm pretty sure that he wouldnt fair well in a fist fight - but sure could teach you how to win a war- steve ------------------------------ From: George Wang Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Filipino Martial Arts: Theory and Practice book Hi, I recall someone posting this book title. I can't find it on amazon.com or barnes& noble.com or anywhere. Is it to be published? ISBN info? Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: KGodhania@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 06:37:46 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: History of the FMA's in Europe List members, I am currently in the process of writing a detailed article on the history and development of the Filipino Martial Arts in Europe. As of present, I have lots of material on the progression of the art in the United Kingdom. But very little on the other European countries. The article will be published in a book i am co-authoring with Mark V. Wiley. As a result I would like to give a fair representation of the art and acknowledge all pioneers throughout Europe. Any information on when a particular style was introduced to the country and by whom etc would be greatly appreciated and will be appropriately documented. Please reply either to the digest or to my email : KGodhania@aol.com Sincerely, Krishna Godhania. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:29:18 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Fighting and sparring Definition of fighting vs. sparring? One thought. Sparring, within the proper context, no matter how full out you go, does not land you in court. As a general rule, it has been pointed out time and time again that there are certain restrictions. (UFC et al ad nauseum) Fighting, can lead to possible interaction with the legal system (either civil or criminal). Both may entail the same physical actions, but depending on the context, can lead to very different consequences and differing legal bills. Alan had a mean left cross. He is missed. Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Eric Primm" Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:44:43 CDT Subject: eskrima: Contact Sparring vs. Fighting Just my 2 cents. Before I started FMA, I trained with BJJ'ers that had a Jeet Kune Do influence. They trained hard all of the time. Well, here are two stories that both support Full Contact Sparring as a great training vehicle. First: A friend of mine was out at a bar where fighting doesn't normally take place, but some drunkard started harrassing his girl. So they started fighting outside. My friend did a perfect double leg takedown and pummeled his opponenttill the guy gave up his back. My friend preceeded to choke him unconscious, and as soon as he got up, his opponents buddy took him down where my friend achieved guard and broke the guys arm. He was able to handle this because during our full contact sparring we trained this senario. Second: A fellow student got into a fight in a bar while out of town. He did everything that he did in full contact training. He was dominating the fight until the guy tapped. The student had a momentary pause because of his training. During that pause the guy on the ground called to a friend to help him. This friend then clubbed the student on the back of the head with a pool cue. They then beat him to within an inch of his life. He lost an eye, and the doctors told us it was a miracle that he was alive. Take this for what you think it is worth. Thank you for listening, Eric Primm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Full Contact Animated GIFs and Video Site updated. New animated GIFs amd Video are up. The animated GIFs are verh high quality, and there is a nice execution of an outside deflection on video. Also Biographies and some really nice pictures of Stuart's Kukris are up. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com and visit Chad's Corner-Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do."-Me as Myself Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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