From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 278 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #276 eskrima: FMA in Bay area eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #276 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #277 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #277 eskrima: Der Hund bellt (barks)! [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:21:12 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #276 Jason writes: One of my students has just relocated to San Francisco for a new job opportunity. Can anybody out there give me some direction as to where to send him for training? Jason, My friend Bernie Langan is in Albany in the East Bay. Bernie trains with Maestro Sonny Umpad. Perhaps Elrick who has studied with Bernie, and is on this list, could add more. I would also highly recommend if your student can get to SoCal, that he/she seek out Pak Victor DeThouars of Pentjak Silat Serak. Selamat datang, Buddy ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:19:35 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMA in Bay area Jason M. Silverman wrote: "One of my students has just relocated to San Francisco for a new job opportunity. Can anybody out there give me some direction as to where to send him for training? He is very interested in continuing his Doce Pares Eskrima training, though he is open / flexible to try something else as long as the instruction is good and the atmosphere pleasant. Grappling schools are of interest as well!" Mike Franciotti is a long time Pekiti-Tirsia practisioner and holds the rank of Mataas na Guro in the system. He holds evening classes in San Jose. His email address is: Mfrnctt@cs.com Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:53:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #276 Chad writes: > I would like to think of myself as a technician and have always kind of > prided myself in being "technically" correct, most of the time, under > pressure. In my fights with Kalani, I found it to be a lot harder to > do this because he has a very high level of aggression, IMO, and > definetly hits very hard. Twice, he took skin from my arm, the pic is > on the web site under the Picture Gallery, 12-26-00 battle(that was his > Christmas present to me). Interestingly, I find that if your technical level is truely superior you can easily outmaneuver agression. This may not be the case in your situation. Take the instance for example when you go with a really agressive beginner and you basically smoke him on simplistic timing and basic tools and nail him at will without overtly taking him out in an unfriendly maner. I really think agression is best left for one when he has nothing left to offer. To the uninformed agression is to be feared. The guy I fear is the quiet one. In most multiple opponant conflicts they always say not to worry about the noisy one. However, I think it is extremely important to appear agressive since that action alone can either stop a contest from starting or make another momentarily freeze and upset the rhythum of an opponant. On the flipside it is really important for us to be so technically proficient that you can flow in and around someone's agressiveness and understand it for what it is. It is never the bark but the bite that hurts. > Paul Vunak also has a very small pamphlet and audio cassette speaking > about killer instinct that I found to be very interesting, and > definetely worth the cost for anyone that has never heard it before. I > would actually like to put it up on my website, but I don't think I > can, hmm maybe I'll ask Paul and see, anyways...It goes somthing to the > point of being analytical from the outside, getting the reaction you > want to close, and once you start closing, you let the "killer > instinct"(beast out of the bag) loose in trapping range. If you go > into grappling, you go back to being calculative. Of, course, this was > Paul's outlook some years back, and it dealt with empty hands, but it > was some very good reading/listening material. > This is an interesting idea I think in development from Paul's perspective. I knew paul and have not seen him in over a decade. He and I trained under G. Inosanto and G. Bustillio in different classes. He really liked the JunFan and made trapping his JKD. In the middle 80's at least he felt very confident in the HIA range. He was very automatic once he pierced the outer gates into patterned HIA maneuvers which almost added another dimension to HIA placing ABC into an HIA matrix. I would take a leap here and say he was technically good here such that he control the situation so that technically he could aford to let the beast out of the bag and just let it flow. In the area of Grappling where has was not that good he had to calculate because he knew there were too many guys out there that were technically good enough to defeat "bad grappling performed with agression". > >My belief is "calculated agressiveness" which means that you still > >have to have control with outward fierceness such that the >opponant > "thinks" you are out of control. > > Good strategy, and how about letting the opponent think you are > calculating and then really letting the beast out of the bag. Yes this is good too and hard to train. This brings up a point that Crafty Dog has always pounded. The danger of being "inbreed" in that if you work with the same guys all the time you answer in programed ways and the psych game is gone. This psych game alone can cost you a win regardless of intrinsic physical skills. I would think Crafty would say that DB gatherings are as much about technical stick fighting as they are about playing the mental game with someone you don't know. He has at least spoken to that issue though I have never really discussed that with him one on one. Regardless just choking under pressure can come at any skill level. Life is always a poker game. Sometimes you win your bluff sometimes you loose. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #277 Hello Patrick, >Sometimes people get hung up on words and their meaning which has been >seen here before. Oh, so true. >What you call aggressiveness might be referred to as >single mindness, sense of purpose or something else by others. I should make myself a little more clear. By aggression, I mean more so in the context of a "dual", "stickfight", "sparring", or even a "one-on-one fistfight" on the street. I think over time, I have learned that you got to change depending on who you are fighting. I never understood what the masters meant when they say, "find out what style your opponent fights and then choose the right style to beat him". I have always believed that they meant by "style" was, Is he largo mano, or letrada, or crossada, etc., etc., but today I(I) believe that they actually meant, "what type of fighter is the person?". Is he a stalker, a waiter, a caveman, a baiter, etc? For example, I am usually a stalker. This has worked nicely for me against a waiter, however I found it a little hard to "stalk" a more aggressive opponent like Kalani. Against an aggressor it seems like a waiter with just enough aggression(intensity and "balls-to-the-wall" attitude). Stuart and Kalani pt on a nice match, BTW. That's kind of where my train of thought was when I posted the Q. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com and visit Chad's Corner-Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do."-Me as Myself Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #277 Does anyone here have any experiences in dealing with production with Unique Publications, Panther Video, Point Man Productions, or ESPTV that they could share with me, good or bad? You can e-mail me privately. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com and visit Chad's Corner-Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do."-Me as Myself Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:26:47 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Der Hund bellt (barks)! A Howl of Greeting to All: Crafty Dog here barking from Dieter Knuettel's computer in Germany: I'll save my report on my Euro-tour until my return home in a few days, but for the moment I'd like to note the little surprises of travel that I like so well that reveal the assumptions which all of us have to some degree or another are just that-- assumptions. Just as on Dieter's keyboard the letter "z" is located where my experience tells me there is a "y" and what in the US we call a "baby carriage" in England they call a "wheel chair" which is the term in the US for what people who can't walk use, the word "fight", quite possibly reflecting a lack of conceptual clarity, is one different people use differently. When I was running for US Congress for the Libertarian Party I puzzled over why the facts and my superior reasoning usually failed to change people's minds and developed the hypothesis that "people think backwards- first they choose the conclusion and then they learn the facts and reasoning that support it." The conclusion chosen is the one with which they identify emotionally and thus they often get mad when they "lose" and resort to ad hominen attack-- precisely because they felt personally defeated. This is precisely why it is so rare to hear in a political conversation "You made a good point, I'm going to change my mind." Its a sign of a more advanced person when you do here it. "Fight" is a word of more than one meaning. My dentist, a fine one who gently and humorously deals with my kitty responses to the dental experience, makes the quite correct point that what the Dog Brothers and friends do at a Gathering is not what happens in a variety of realities outside of a Gathering. He thus concludes that what we do is not fighting. I know a number of people feel that it is not fighting because there is no anger. Yet I think Pat's post clearly shows that anger is not necessary to operate in the face of the surprises of the world. In Dog Brothers Martial Arts we say "The greater the dichotomy, the profounder the transformation- Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact." The idea is that the more one can align in a calm centered state in a condition of a very intense adrenal state, the better one fights AND the more one is transformed. In a similar way, there is a Filipino GM whose name cannot be mentioned here (please, don't ask) relates that during WW2 in the island of Luzon, that with experience fighting and killing became like a days work of picking tomatoes. If you were to ask the spirits of the men he killed I think you would find they considered it a fight, even though he wasn't angry. This is not to say that the presence of anger in a situation outside of a Gathering is not an important difference, just that the presence of anger in not a pre-requisite for it to be fighting. I agree whole heartedly with Chad and Arlan on the value of the "real contact stickfighting" experience. No surprise here! For a very substantial percentage of the people who come to martial arts, some sort of forging of skills and spirit is necessary. In the first article ever written about the Dog Brothers, Burt Richardson used what I thought was a great analogy: imagine sitting in an airplane about to take off and the voice comes over the intercom to tell you that this is a great airplane-- but the motor is of a new design which has never been tested, the wings are of a new design which has never been tested, and the only plane the pilot has flown was a simulator sitting on the ground. Would you really want to bet your life on this? During the gun thread of a couple of weeks ago I made the statement "If only the police have guns, its a police state." In the case of the US, it WOULD require a police state to disarm the American people, but a couple of days after I posted this I realized that what I had probably communicated to non-Americans was that if they didn't have guns, that they lived in a police state. It wasn#t my thought when I posted it, but my having written it reveals to me that as true as it was for me that I was failing to some of the non-Americans were writing with their reality in mind and not mine. This question about whether one wants to bet one's life on the untested runs a similar risk and so I want to first make clear that this testing is not the be all and end all, either emotionally or physically (e.g. it is an open field environment and often the surprises of life are not) and second this is not to say that all people who do not do this are deluded idiots-- although some are :-) But it sure has been necessary for me for my art to have emotional content. That said, in my opinion I think my dentist sets a pretty high standard for calling something "fighting". The UFC in its he day turned down the Dog Brothers for being "just too extreme"-- and for those who feel that what the early UFC did was not fighting, I'll close with a quote from page 27 of the recently published book "Bando: Philosophy, Principles & Pactice- and overview of the free-hand systems" by Dr. M. Gyi: "I have had the honor to train and watch their fighters (i.e. the Dog Brothers) several times , , , They are the most disciplined and unique group of modern warriors I have had the honor to meet. , , , Would I fight them now? No! No! No! Maybe 50 or 60 years ago I would have joined their pack." Well, I still wouldn't want to fight Dr. Gyi, who in his mid 70s is still a genuine real time mofo, but I and the rest of the Dog Brothers sure are deeply honored. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: The Dr. Gyi training camp approaches. I haven't been in touch with Steve Tarani since I left on the tour, but last I heard registration was pretty slim. At the seminar in Essen, Germany I met a DBMAA member who will be flying from Germany to attend. Where will you be and what will you be doing on these days? Go to www.dogbrothers.com for details. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.