From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #279 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 279 In this issue: eskrima: Dr. Gyi NYC Seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 eskrima: On aggression eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 eskrima: Instructor in Palm Beach County? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NYCAinfo@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:25:01 EDT Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi NYC Seminar Due to the postponement of the Grandmaster Dr. Maung Gyi kukri camp in Los Angeles on June 16-18, Dr. Gyi will be instead doing a seminar in New York City on Saturday, June 17th and Sunday, June 18th. The Los Angeles Kukri Camp is being rescheduled for later in the year for further info: info@westcoastacademy.com Saturday, June 17 -- Combat Combat Hand Knife Principles and use of the folding knife for combat. We will work on angles of attack and defense, training for speed and accuracy, combat applications and various cuts and thrusts on a myriad of targets. needed: folding knife(and second back up if you have it), safe training knife Sunday, June 18-Healing And Harmonizing Letha Yoga A review and continuation of Letha Yoga a yoga system that focuses on stretching the spine, body and limbs assisted by a partner. Two partners exchange the roles of giver and receiver. Needed: A towel, a mat is optional, wear loose fitting clothing For complete info: New York Combat Arts PO Box 7899 New York, New York 10116-7899 212 631-3508 email: NYCAinfo@aol.com Vincent Giordano ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:47:42 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 Summer Camp - Escrima/Ch'uan Fa/Silat I found this information on another web list and thought that I would pass it on to the Eskrima Digset Readers -------------- Original Post from Kempo E-List ---------- I would like to announce that there will be an intensive, two day, FMA Summer Training Camp, on Saturday July 8 and Sunday July 9, from 10am - 4pm, both days. The primary presenter will be Punong Guro TOM BOLDEN, founder and chief instructor of the American Modern Arnis Associates. PG Bolden, is an internationally recognized Master teacher of the Martial Arts with over 35 years of experience. He began his formal training in the early 1960's, he was a student of Master Florintino Pancipanci, who taught PG Bolden, both CHA-3 Kenpo and his own family art of Pancipanci Eskrima. PG Bolden, also had the on-going opportunity to study CHA-3 Kenpo with the system founder, GM Marino Tiwanak, since Master Pancipanci, worked directly with the GM and they often brought their students together for training. The guest instructor for this camp will be Sifu DANIEL DONZELLA, who is the founder and chief instrutor of the Liu Seong Combat Arts Club, located in Syracuse, NY. Sifu Donzella, has studied the MAs for over 32 years and he will be presenting the Whipping Hands and Trapping Feet arts of the late Grand Master, Willem Reeders and Pendekar Paul de Thouras. The blending of Liu Seong Chuan Fa and Bukti Negara Pentjak Silat, creates an awesome style of empty hand self-defense, that enables smaller people to neutralize larger, more muscular people. Sifu Donzella, studied under Sifu Gary Galvin, who was a direct student of GM Willen Reeders. He has also studied with Sifu/Guro Dan Inosanto and Pendekar Paul de Thouras. He is not a certified instructor under either person. His instructional program in Syracuse, includes the arts of Escrima-Kali, Pentjak & Kuntao Silat and Liu Seong Chuan Fa. ------ Snipped for brevity -------- I am recommending that you put this camp on your summer calender of events to attend - especially those of you on the east coast in NY, NJ, PA and New England. The camp will be held at the: Cuneen Hackett Cultural Center 12 Vassar Street Poukeepsie, NY 12601 10am - 4pm $60 for a single day $105 for both days Money orders or Certified checks payable to American Modern Arnis Associates For more information you can write: Punong Guro Tom Bolden American Modern Arnis Associates 99 Garden Street Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 or call: (914) 471-0742 or e-mail: kng-@aol.com Looking forward to seeing some of you at the camp. --------------- End of Original Post --------------------- I have worked with both PG Tom Bolden and Sifu Dan Donzella, and I can vouch for their martial arts skill levels, their knowledge base as well as their teaching abilities. This is the second year that a special guest instructor has been added to the program and I am confident that if members of this list attend the camp that you will be very pleased with the strength and depth of the instruction. It is not often that a camp will feature a combination of Kenpo, Escrima, Ch'uan Fa and Silat in one setting. Since both instructors are well versed in escrima/kali as well as the empty hand arts, there is a balance here that will not be easily duplicated at most summer camps. Do not be fooled by the percetion, that these men are not well known or leading figures in what passes for martial arts literature, what you have here is 67+ years of training and experience in just these two men. This is an opportunity for all of us who are interested in the breadth that is possible within the martial arts to witness a significant aspect of it in July at this camp. I attended the camp last year and I was totally impressed with the instruction and the relaxed feeling of friendship that was displayed between PG Bolden and last year's guest PG Eddie Lastra. Those two men were meeting for the first time and the camp atmostphere was exciting... PG Bolden and Sifu Donzella, have worked together before in Buffalo, NY, and I can't see this years edition of the camp being anything less than last year's. I hope that some of you will be there. ------- End of Original Post from Kempo E-List ----------------- Sounds like an very exciting and different approach to exploring the SE Asian martial arts. I am planning on attending. EBrook ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:12:54 +0100 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 From: "q" Interestingly, I find that if your technical level is truely superior you can easily outmaneuver agression. Yes I agree This brings up a point that Crafty Dog has always pounded. The danger of being "inbreed" in that if you work with the same guys all the time you answer in programed ways and the psych game is gone. This psych game alone can cost you a win regardless of intrinsic physical skills. I add to this point below. Working the psyche on top of weak foundations can work against you most definitely Working the same recipe all the time is a dead end road. Crafty Dog here barking from Dieter Knuettel's computer in Germany: The idea is that the more one can align in a calm centered state in a condition of a very intense adrenal state, the better one fights AND the more one is transformed. But that state comes from knowing yourself and being in harmony - hey I don't want to sound like a hippy here! To do that you have to be secure in your knowledge not in belief (be - - lie - f) but having experienced the truth (There is a distinction between knowing and believing in my vocabulary) In the original context of the question as to the intensity of training, I would suggest, at the risk of being scorned, that even those who immerse themselves into what they consider to be the pool of truth are compounding a belief structure which may just be blinding them from that they strive. And in that very act of striving they lose sight of the goal. I do sound like a hippy! Too much Krishnamurti and Casteneda I think! ; ) It is necessary to come outside of yourself in order to understand what is inside(A point Crafty makes below) and this is the confusion for me. I tried to emulate my instructor but fell short. Yet I want what my instructor has. In theory I know that to do that I must find my own truths. Doing it is the hardest but should be the easiest. We all look to be congratulated, to be vindicated for our actions, rewarded for our efforts. Its our self doubt. How to overcome that or whether we should I cant answer. But in martial art ability I feel it will hold me back. It is the process that is important rather than the product. During the gun thread of a couple of weeks ago I made the statement snip It wasn#t my thought when I posted it, but my having written it reveals to me that as true as it was for me that I was failing to some of the non-Americans were writing with their reality in mind and not mine. But it sure has been necessary for me for my art to have emotional content. Which must come from experiencing the pain and the beauty, At the seminar in Essen, Germany I met a DBMAA member who will be flying from Germany to attend. Where will you be and what will you be doing on these days? Don't know and not that I should have to justify myself but after I drive down to England for Master Sken for two days personal thai training and drop into a Paulson seminar on the way back in June. As well as Guro Inosanto's London seminar in July, on top of my existing travelling to train commitments, the time to spend with my family is far more important than worrying about that. regards Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group Little fish in a big pond ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: On aggression Merriam Webster states that aggression is a "hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook esp. when caused by frustration". Is this what we train for? I think not! This is what we train to overcome! Intense, focused control of an opponent does not require hostility, anger, or hatred. When confronted w/ force we "turn it up" and our body chemistry and natural (trained) instincts take over. By not loosing focus due to anger we achieve maximum efficiency, precise mechanics, and absolute power. If it is NECESSARY to overcome force w/ force it should come swiftly, commitedly, and without malice. The veil between life and death is thin... We need always be mindfull and teach our children that the highest achievement of any Martial Artist is the ability NOT to fight! "those who render others' armies helpless without fighting are the best of all" Sun Tzu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Cory Eicher" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:35:32 CDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 A couple fo brief things: 1. Crafty, I am once again impressed. I had no idea that you were (perhaps are?) activiely involved in politics. Congratulations on being one of the people who actually makes an effort to be a citizen of a democracy. 2. (slightly more on topic), I was working out the other day outside in the rain. A good experience for sure, with some interesting outcomes (for example, really slippery sticks). Specifically, I tried to throw a few traps into a flow drill with almost no success. Usually I'm extremely fond of traps, using them as an intermediate range between grappling and serrada (I was a high school wrestler and serrada is my base FMA), both moving in and out, but in the rain the trap was almost impossible due to how slippery everyone's skin was. Has anyone else had similar experience, and if so, does anyone have any suggestions for adapting a trap to a more slick surface? Cory ========================================= Learn everything you can. Use everything that works. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: MAKIHL@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:35:26 EDT Subject: eskrima: Instructor in Palm Beach County? Thank you for this list, I have enjoyed it greatly! i have checked the FMA database but found no instructors north of the Dade county area. Is their anybody in the Palm Beaches (please no jokes about 24 kt sticks ;-) )that is instructing? Another quick question, what age would you all advise one to involve their kids in this activity? Thank you my friends, H. Maki West Palm Beach, Florida ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:04:19 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 Crafty writes: > "Fight" is a word of more than one meaning. My dentist, a fine one >who gently and humorously deals with my kitty responses to the dental >experience, makes the quite correct point that what the Dog Brothers and >friends do at a Gathering is not what happens in a variety of realities >outside of a Gathering. He thus concludes that what we do is not >fighting. "The greater the dichotomy, the profounder >the transformation- Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact." The >idea is that the more one can align in a calm centered state in a >condition of a very intense adrenal state, the better one fights AND the >more one is transformed. > > That said, in my opinion I think my dentist sets a pretty high >standard for calling something "fighting". Yes Crafty you have me pegged correctly. I will say however that I cannot think of too much more that comes closer to reality than Gathering style events. There is another issue I illuded to in a post with Chad about being "inbread". I would say it is safe to say that the emotional psychological benefits of a DB Gathering (adreanl state) are at thier peak early in the participation and fall off later as done with more regularity such that you need a bigger thrill to get to the next step in development. It's like needing a bigger hill as you learn to ski better. So I would be much more impressed with the psychological prowess of an individual who was thrust into a Gathering like the time Fernando was jeered by cheers from the crowd and friends into competing and smoked Big Irv. For those who do not know of Fernando he to my knowledge is a groundfighter not a stickfighter and basically took the game to his venue and won. Now that is a dangerous guy. We all get immune to our surroundings just like a Doctor does not react to screams of patients in the ER after being there for a while. And there lies one interpretation of ..."The greater the dichotomy, the profounder the transformation". Great line Crafty! Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #279 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.