From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #280 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 7 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 280 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi eskrima: And another thing eskrima: RE: Slick surface eskrima: Dr. Gyi's book [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:01:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi Crafty writes: << PS: The Dr. Gyi training camp approaches. I haven't been in touch with Steve Tarani since I left on the tour, but last I heard registration was pretty slim. At the seminar in Essen, Germany I met a DBMAA member who will be flying from Germany to attend. Where will you be and what will you be doing on these days? Go to www.dogbrothers.com for details. >> It probably is best to check with Steve Tarani but I've got word that the camp date is being re-scheduled. Also that Dr. Gyi will giving a folding knife seminar on June 17th followed by a Letha Yoga seminar on Sunday the 18th in NYC. ..I know where I'll be! Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:02:55 +0200 Subject: eskrima: And another thing A Howl etc: I'll be flying back to LA tomorrow but have a moment before going to bed to touch on a few additional points to my previous post: 1) Sorry for the occasional lapses of syntax (e.g. "its rare to here this") which I would blame on Rocky if I could, , , , 2) Thanks to Doc for his care in making his case to recognize various distinctions, and yes I'll vouch he's not an armchair warrior. 3) In Chad's original post reposting from elsewhere, I noted that the critic of the Dog Brothers with whom he engaged had as one of his complaints that we misrepresent when we say what we do is FMA. Some time back an individual sent me a series of very emotional and, well, rude emails crticizing me and the Dog Brothers for misrepresenting what we do as FMA, both for our violent attitudes and values, as well as for our inclusion of BJJ technique. There was more, the gist of which as best I could tell was that we were not of the right race or nationality. I had a fun time taking advantage of the rheotrical excesses in these missives to infuriate this individual further. Not very enlightened of me perhaps, but I hope he'll get over it-- I know I have. Still, when the fun was over I found myself reflecting on this matter. The Dog Brothers are "Real Contact Stickfighting" in order to distinguish ourselves from the somewhat misleading label used by certain tournaments of "Full Contact". At the time of the first series, Eric, Arlan and I were FMA, with a touch of BJJ in the case of Eric and I. Since then things have evolved. Arlan and the Santa Fe clan are heavily Krabi Krabong influenced, and to a lesser extent so is the Hermosa clan via the KK strand in Inosanto Blend as well as Arlan's influence. All of us are thoroughly involved in BJJ and in Dog Brothers Martial Arts there is also the Bukti Negara from Indonesia, the Bando from Burma/Nepal, the mostly Chinese Jun Fan Gung Fu and sundry others. So the indivual with whom Chad was engaging (I don't know if is the same one who corresponded with me or not) in this regard in a sense arguably has a point. Still, if you go to the guestbook on the DBIMA website time and again you will see entries from the Philippines thanking us for our contributions to the FMA and for giving credit to the source. As best I can tell, this is the majority opinion and it makes sense to me. Overall, IMHO the overwhelming majority of our training is FMA, our mentality is FMA, and so is our fighting. I suppose it would be more precise to say that DBMA is Majapahit plus modified BJJ, but that can be a bit wordy and tedious to explain to those looking for a name-- sort of like the performer who used to be known as Prince wanting to be known as a symbol without a name. When there is time to explain this point I do, but mostly it makes sense to me to say FMA. I think all of us in the DBs and in DBMA are proud of what we do and our feeling in saying FMA is one of wanting to give honor and credit. I know we have many Filipinos on the list and I would most certainly be glad to hear their thoughts. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 20:05:51 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RE: Slick surface At our school we train to deal with slick surfaces (namely bloody arms etc.) by applying baby oil to hands and arms and practicing passing/disarming. At first frustration but eventually realization... This also reminds you to not loosen your grip when a slick substance is involved. As long as you can keep a tight grip and by not letting in the blood or water or baby oil.... then you have a decent chance of keeping your own weapon. - -- Steve Klement (865) 988-7599 Inayan School of Eskrima - TN. inayan@mindspring.com http://www.inayaneskrima.com >From: "Cory Eicher" > Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:35:32 CDT > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #278 > I was working out the other day outside in the > rain. A good experience for sure, with some interesting outcomes (for > example, really slippery sticks). Specifically, I tried to throw a few > traps into a flow drill with almost no success. Usually I'm extremely fond > of traps, using them as an intermediate range between grappling and serrada >(I was a high school wrestler and serrada is my base FMA), both moving in > and out, but in the rain the trap was almost impossible due to how slippery > everyone's skin was. > Has anyone else had similar experience, and if so, does anyone have any > suggestions for adapting a trap to a more slick surface? > Cory ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:06:02 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi's book "I'll close with a quote from page 27 of the recently published book "Bando: Philosophy, Principles & Pactice- and overview of the free-hand systems" by Dr. M. Gyi:" Published where? By whom? Who sells it? Must have it!!! Please!! Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC (Too far from Trabuco Canyon) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #280 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.