From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #284 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 9 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 284 In this issue: eskrima: Some words... eskrima: Info to spread the word. eskrima: Re: The art formerly known...Tradition...Philiosophy...Triangle eskrima: Training knife stuff eskrima: Bando website eskrima: Loreley Camp [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roan Kalani Grimm Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:40:15 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Some words... Well, first off, I 'd like to thank Chad for his kind words. > In my fights with Kalani, I found it to be a lot harder to > do this because he has a very high level of aggression, IMO, and > definetly hits very hard. Twice, he took skin from my arm, the pic is > on the web site under the Picture Gallery, 12-26-00 battle(that was his > Christmas present to me). > > A little bit of history here, and this is somthing Kalani will probably > be hearing for the first time: When I first started training, there > were two other students that I looked up to as "leaders" in the class. > Kalani and Tennesen. At that time, in my eyes, I saw that Kalani could > make things work. I also saw that Tennessen had excellent body > mechanics and flow. However, I also thought that Tennessan was to soft > and thought that Kalani was too hard for my likings. From the > beginning I aimed to become somewhere between the two. Tennessan > taught me the mechanics of deflections, empty hand, etc., and Kalani > taught me how to deal with pressure. > I also have to agree with Chad about Tennyson's body mechanics. He had excellent mechanics and flow. I didn't have as good a flow or mechanics, but my strengths lie in other areas. Not to say I don't try to improve them daily. it's just that I've come to accept certain realities, and the fact that my body mechanics aren't superb is all right, I try to make up for it in areas where I excel. Chad also said > It seems to me that way back when, the warriors point was to be > effective and not Filipino. Now don't get me wrong, I am Filipino and > Damn Proud of it too. I know Stuart and James feel the same also. > But, I want to be effective. > And I agree with this as well. When I teach students, the Filipino Martial Arts are definitely the base I launch from, but there are elements of aikido, aikijujutsu, and many other martial arts thrown in. The common denominator is that all the techniques work. I don't claim to look pretty or look good when I fight/spar/whatever. But if it's working, I don't much care. An art is going to evolve and change as time goes on if it's going to remain effective. Chad, James, Stuart and I all studied under the same man. He taught us all the same art, yet if you look at each of our individual interpretations of that art, they are different. Have any of us failed the filipino martial arts as taught to us by Datu? No. We have simply blended what we've learned in different ways. And dammit, I think we've all done fairly well. Anyway, I'm done . . . for now. Chad, as always, keep it real. Peace, respect and an open mind. Aloha, Roan Kalani Grimm "We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best is he who is trained in the severest school." --Thucydides ------------------------------ From: "Kyud" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:29:35 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Info to spread the word. At my site . Arnis Balite ~ http://www.wizard.com/~kyud I have an events page where I will be happy to list any FMA seminars and tournaments coming up. Just email me with the info or a link where the info is and I will post it. Got a site that has a events page that has scheduled FMA info give me the URL and I'll list it also. Also will be doing a seminar in Louisville. Kentucky on the 28th thought the 30th of July. It will be on Kuntaw (The Lanada Family art) and Arnis Balite (The Aguillon Family art). Also Leo Fong, Kathy Long, and Richard Bustillo will be their. More info at http://qmactc.tripod.com/events.html ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: The art formerly known...Tradition...Philiosophy...Triangle “The Art Formerly Known as FMA” was jokingly, a reply to Crafty’s reference to “The Artist Formerly Known as Prince”. (Before it gets misconstrued). There are the three points in traditional (to use the term as “what the elders were/are teaching”. The past, the present, and the future, accordingly, the three points of the triangle. What I was taught was if the triangle is broken, evil can enter. When I first started learning, I was taught a set of 12 single stick movements and a set of 12 double stick movements. I noticed that most of the stick movements were similar, but there were a few that did not resemble each other. I started to wonder why. For my own body mechanics, I changed some of the single stick movements from the double stick, and with the double stick, I changed some of the movements from the single stick. When I showed my instructor and asked him why he didn’t do it like this, he told me that I had just done it how his father and uncles had taught him. He changed it for himself to the way he taught us. This is in a way the connection of the three points. Without the past, can we move into the present to learn and continue into the future? But with just the past alone, can we live in the present and continue into the future. I know that all of my training has made me who I am today, all of the drills, deflections, etc. That was the past. How do I live in the present? What I learn today, I take with me into the future. The three are very intertwined. Example: today is the present, tomorrow is the future, and yesterday is in the past. But tomorrow will be the present, and today will become the past. This is the triangle “evolving”. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com for Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do." Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:55 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Training knife stuff Listers, I need your help and maybe I can help you too. I would like to convince this famous knife maker who shall remain nameless at this time to make training folders of his folding knives that many of you carry. I would like to see him make two types of trainers in the size, shape, and weight of current models. Imagine having your favorite spyderco or benchmade with a stout rubber blade and an aluminium dull blade that can be opened similarly to the live blade! Think of the possibilities. If, in principle, you would buy something like this return mail to me with the subject line saying: "I WANT IT" put nothing in the body. I would like to hand this man a stack of e-mails that show interest in a worthy training tool. Thanks, Carl ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan Broster" Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:59:02 GMT Subject: eskrima: Bando website Hi Can anyone tell me if Dr Gyi has a website, or if there are any other good Bando sites that are worth looking at ? Mabuhay Jon ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Hume" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:59:24 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Loreley Camp Hi to all. I am delurking to tell you of my good fortune to have participated in the annual Loreley Camp of the German Arnis Association (Deutche Arnis Verbund or DAV) hosted by the Frankfurt branch (headed by Bernd Vieth) of the DAV and lead by Datu Dieter Knuttel. First of all, my impression of Frankfurt is that it is as charming and cosmopolitan a city as any you will visit. Aside from the stray citizen who wants nothing to do with a stranger, the people of the city are engaging, warm, and at times almost overly hospitable. I had the opportunity to stay with Bela Riethausen, the camp organizer, for a few days before and after the camp and Bela wore well the multiple caps of host, tour guide, interpreter, and new friend. Thanks Bela. Bela did promise to visit here in hot Texas, if ever he can tear himself away from Frankfurt and finds himself wondering about in the US. Once we were ensconced in our rooms, the five-day camp started Wednesday evening with a welcome and sessions lead by Datu Knuttel and John Bond from the Australian Arnis Association. Datu Knuttel has had extended opportunities over the years to have studied both Remy Presas and Ernesto Presas. Therefore, the mixture of Arnis I experienced was both familiar, since my background is based in the Remy Presas Modern Arnis, and novel (some of the practice techniques were from Ernesto Presas and some were from the mind of Datu Knuttel). A few of the sessions were expertly lead by Sunny Graff and Roland Schueltke, both of the Frankfurt DAV. Overall, the experience of having attended the Loreley Camp was one I will cherish for years to come. I encourage anyone interested in attending the Loreley Camp or the year 2001 week-long Black Forest Camp to contact Datu Knuttel; the Loreley Camp is by invitation only for those not associated with the Frankfurt DAV. The Loreley Camp site is situated deep in the Rhein River area and overlooks the Rhein River exactly at the point of the Loreley Rock (for those somewhat familiar with German lore). The sights along the route to the camp and around the camp are breath taking. While at the camp, don't forget to tour the Castle Rheinfels and to take the walk along the river to the castle. Thanks also to Michael, an expert knife maker when he is not bashing heads, Sunny, who thinks that a warmup before class (Tuesday night in Frankfurt) should either make you or break you (thanks Sunny), Bela and Ursala, Johnny (who along with Michael will send me digital images of the camp), Heinrich, a world and American history buff (something to do with ancestors in the Hessian army and facing Washington across the Delaware) and thanks to Datu Knuttel for the invitation and to all those at the camp (my German was not too good, but everyone spoke Arnis very well and some, like Bela, spoke english better than some Americans I know). Michael H., Lakan Isa (a.k.a. Doctor; title earned with the Ph.D.) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #284 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.