From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #289 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 12 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 289 In this issue: eskrima: Happy 102nd Philippine Independence Day eskrima: Sayoc Kali Seminar eskrima: Training Blades eskrima: Cacoy seminar, July 29 in Calif eskrima: knuckles and knuckleheads like us [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Tong" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:27:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Happy 102nd Philippine Independence Day Missed the Monterey Festival but made the one in SF, CA (no FMA demo though). Found a pretty old book by Guro Ernesto Presas, maybe his first (?) so got it and the tape #2 by Guro Edgar Sulite (open hand knife disarms- pekiti tersia, illustrisimo & siniguro practice). btw I sure hope I'm getting the titles right it sure is easier just to call everyone sensei instead :) Tomorrow I'm going to ask my friend to "mug me" w/a knife to drill. Very thankful to have this opportunity to learn. Phil ps. my balisong "nick" count now stands at three (two R, one L), mostly due to inattentiveness and trying to make combinations too quickly! I think I will pass on the flying opens/closes as impractical and how many o/c's does one need anyways? have a great day ------------------------------ From: "Steven Lefebvre" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:09:32 PDT Subject: eskrima: Sayoc Kali Seminar For the first time in New Hampshire, Sayoc Kali will be presented by, Tuhon Chris Sayoc and family. This is a rare event the head of the Sayoc Kali system will be sharing his art with all participants. Don’t miss the opportunity to train with this notable Kali Master. Tuhon Chris Sayoc of Sayoc Kali is a man who has been involved with the Filipino martial arts since he was a young child. His family art of using the blade has been passed down through 4 generations with a heavy influence on the art, from both his paternal and maternal grandfathers. While Chris Sayoc was fortunate to have encountered and trained with many masters of the Filipino martial arts, today, he focuses strictly on promoting his own family system. Seminar Information Date: July 29th Time: 10:00am – 3:00 pm(There will be a break for lunch) Location: Bujinkan Dojo 250 Commercial St, Suite 2004 Manchester, NH, 03101 Call for more information: (603) 668-3181 Email: Airyu@hotmail.com Cost: $60.00 prepaid before 7/5/00 $75.00 after 7/5/00 “Cash or Money orders only” Call for Special Group rate! “Please bring at least 2 aluminum training knives, and comfortable training attire.” ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan Broster" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:19:32 GMT Subject: eskrima: Training Blades Hi Taking a real knife and grinding the blade off is certainly a good way to have something very realistic to train with, but i just could not bring myself to do that to a $60 knife. That said, I picked up a $10 copy of a Spyder co, ground off the blade, and have been using it for training for a long time now. Mabuhay Jon ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Cacoy seminar, July 29 in Calif FYI... Seminar with Doce Pares Grandmaster Ciriaco "Cacoy" Canete The last seminar in the USA for the year 2000 Also Masters demonstrations by: Narrie Babo Rev. Rupert Bisquera JR Cautiverio Wally Estropia Anthony Kleeman Ron Lew Chris Petrelli Ted Sotello Saturday, July 29, 2000 10AM - 5PM $60 at the door, $50 if pre-registered Milpitas Health & Fitness 1000 Jacklin Road Milpitas, California 95035 408-946-2151 For more information contact Rev. Rupert Bisquera, PO Box 33020, San Jose, California 95152-3020 -- 408-719-8649. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Rick Lindquist Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:59 -0700 Subject: eskrima: knuckles and knuckleheads like us Key: 1st finger = thumb 2nd finger = index or pointer 3rd finger = bird 4th finger = ring 5th = little or pinkie Regarding which way to make a fist and strike is stronger, 2nd and 3rd knuckles (index and bird) vs last three (3rd, 4th and 5th) knuckles: The most common fracture I see from striking is the last (5th/pinkie) knuckle fracture; wins hands down (really bad pun). It's common enough to have it's own name, "boxer's fracture" Technically it's an "angulated fracture of the fifth metacarpal head." Next most common fracture would be the fourth knuckle (ring finger/4th metacarpal head). It's much less common but pops up occasionally. I personally have never seen a fracture of the 2nd or 3rd (index and bird) knuckles from striking although someone probably has. They are not common. The common mechanism of fracture is that the strike occurred against a hard object, at an angle, with the forces focused at a small area of the fist. Think of those times when you hit your heavy bag and were off line just a little and felt it on the side of the hand and pinkie knuckle area. Now change the target to something hard and you get the idea. So which is stronger? I think a strike a la Dempsey with the last three knuckles is probably really strong, but being off just a little exposes the 5th finger to the above fracture mechanism. Same with the Wing Chun strike if that little terminal wrist extension gets lost and the strike hits the 5th knuckle. Probably less risky is something using the 2nd and 3rd, or 3rd and 4th knuckles. When I train boxing I use the 2nd and 3rd knuckles as a striking surface, but I also wear gloves and sometimes wrap my hands. When I train trapping range (yes, I think trapping range is useful) I use the vertical fist more often. Personally, I think slapping or palm strikes are better against hard objects like the head and would fist punch softer objects like the body. Even if you don't break a hand against the head "fight bites" at the knuckles (from knuckles against teeth) are a real pain. I also like elbows a whole bunch against the side of the head. BTW, I'm not aware of any "scientific" studies using any kind of force analysis to look at this question. There might be something buried in the hand literature but it's not part of the main bulk of medical literature. Regards, Rick ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #289 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.