From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #290 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 12 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 290 In this issue: eskrima: Use of the Wrist in the Vertical Punch & ... eskrima: Cass Magda Summer Camp eskrima: Which knuckles to use... eskrima: www.full contacthi.com eskrima: kali/escrima seminars RE: eskrima: Re: Knuckles eskrima: Judo info [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Use of the Wrist in the Vertical Punch & ... In the recent issue of the Journal of Asian Martial Arts there is an examination of the vertical punch vs. the twisting straight punch. Dempsey was used as one of the references in the study. The conclusion reads: "While the traditional twisting punch is the most popular punch in existence today, some experts (such as Advincula, Anderson, and Dempsy) and styles (such as Isshin-ryu and Wing Chun) maintain that the vertical punch is a superior technique. Any discussion concerning the efficacy of these two techniques should be substantiated by the scientific literature instead of either idle speculation or anecdotal data. If one takes an objective look at the scientific data instead of blindly following tradition, it becomes evident that the vertical punch is a better way of punching from a biomechanical perspective. "When throwing the traditional twisting punch, the hand ends up in a pronated position. A review of the existing literature has shown that this pronated position doubles the force borne by the smaller ulna bone. The vertical punch keeps the wrist in a neutral position, where force is concentrated on the larger radius, which is more capable of handling such forces. Additionally, by keeping the wrist in neutral, the muscles that flex the wirst and those that extend the wrist may be in a more favorable line of pull that would keep the wrist straight. However, to better understand this process, more muscle studies need to be conducted. "Objections to the vertical punch come in at least two forms. The first maintains that the twisting of a punch makes it more powerful. However, while torque in an axis perpendicular to the line of movement may provide some additional force output in the direction of movement, its contribution would be minimal. Russian researchers using electromyography (EMG) studies have found that both the arm and shoulder only contribute 24% of the muscular force developed by a punch (Verkhonshamsky, Filimonov, Husyainov, & Garakyan, 1991). Realizing that the muscles of the shoulder and arm create most of that 24%, how much could the pronators possibly contribute? The popularity of the twisting punch probably comes more from its inclination to tear open the skin when wearing a boxing glove that it does from its contribution of additional power to a punch. "The second objection argues that if the vertical punch is a superior method of punching, why isn't everyone punching that way? The same specious argument could have been offered to Hank Lussetti, who came up with the one-handed free throw to replace the two-handed set shot, or to Perry O'Brien, who decided to face in the opposite direction of the one where he intended to throw a shot put, or even to Steven Fosbry, who went over the bar of a high jump backwards. Why indeed? Presented for your comments... Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Cass Magda Summer Camp Forwarding... JFJKD-KALI-SILAT Summer Training Camp with Guro Cass Magda at The Magda Institute August 17-20, 2000 - - Train in the explosive action of Bruce Lee's Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do - - Learn the devastating art of Filipino Kali - - Experience the unforgiving intensity of Indonesian Pentjak Silat - - Open to all skill levels - - Camp diploma/certificate awarded at the end of training. Pre-Registration fee: $250 USD / $100 Minimum Deposit Pay per day fee: $100 USD After JULY 1,2000: $275 USD *(Fee does not include lodging. See VISTOR'S GUIDE on website or Call.)* Group Discount: 5 applicants registered = 5th goes FREE! *Registration fee of $250 or $100 deposit must be postmarked no later than July 1st. Any applications postmarked after deadline will require additional $25 due upon arrival at camp. *Registrations will be accepted on a first come first served basis. Once camp is full your check will be returned. Do not be disappointed so register early! To register send certified check or money order to: Magda Institute 7255 Canby Ave. Reseda, CA 91335 Phone: (818) 342-2455 Fax: (818) 363-0729 E-mail: cassmagda@yahoo.com VISA/MASTERCARD accepted: Call or send 1)card type, 2)card #, 3)4-digit expiration date, 4)name(as it appears on card), and if mailed signature authorizing the amount ($250 or $275) to Magda Institute. ***Please wear comfortable clothing for summer type training. Bring boxing gloves, mouthpiece, groin cup, shin-guards, bag gloves, 1 pair sticks(28"), and training dagger. Equipment will be available for purchase at camp. ***No audio or video recording will be permitted.*** Camp Times: Thursday: Friday: 9:00am - 11:30am Train 9:00am - 11:30am Train 11:30am - 1:30pm Break 11:30am - 1:30pm Break 1:30pm - 4:00pm Train 1:30pm - 4:00pm Train Saturday: Sunday: 9:00am - 11:30am Train 9:00am - 11:30am Train 11:30am - 1:30pm Break 11:30am Camp Closed 1:30pm - 4:00pm Train ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Which knuckles to use... I grew up training in Okinawan Karate... enough said. Since my training began in JKD/ FMA (3 yrs) I can't remember "turning over" my punches unless throwing a cross. By utilizing this vertical prophile the 1st and 2nd knucks are the natural contact point, and the bones of my wrist remain in line w/ the force of the blow. Even w/ the cross the natural contact point seems to me to be the aforementioned knuckles. Along with this my straight thrusts are alot faster, initiate w/out 'showing' and still contain the same level of power (if not more). Anyone have experience or training using the other knuckles of the hand (exept breaking them!)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: www.full contacthi.com Web site is updated, new video up. Also, there will be an "Equipment Review" up by tomorrow(hopefully tonight) that will have three of our outlooks on different equipment we've used for sparring. http://www.fullcontacthi.com ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com for Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do." Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Nolan Hernandez Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: kali/escrima seminars Are there any Kali/Escrima seminars taking place in the San Diego, CA area around August? I would appreciate any information on this. Maraming Salamat! Nolan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Steve Yarnall (ATT)" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:22:45 -0400 Subject: RE: eskrima: Re: Knuckles I'm not a skeletal specialist, but 26 years in the martial arts and a lot of time spent doing breaking techniques. The 'traditional' karate punch using the first two knuckles has always been my preference. But with qualifications. When executing a punch it is important to have the first two knuckle aligned such that there is a straight line between the knuckles, the wrist, and the shoulder. This alignment prevents adverse impact on the joints and applies maximum power to the impact point of the punch. My understanding of the hands bone structure is limited but I do know the bones aligned with the third and fourth knuckles are at an angle to the wrist and cannot be aligned as described above. Punching with these knuckles runs a high risk of breaking the supporting bones and or the wrist. I don't know about others but I will stay with the first two knuckles method of punching. Steve Yarnall Frederick, MD. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Klement Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:57:01 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Knuckles Ah, come on Mike! Which do you prefer? I wonder if there are any skeletal specialist on the list that could add info. to this??? For me I use finger tips, ANY part of my hand, my elbow, head, knee or just about anything I can find! :) Actually, I have always tried using the first two as a boxing coach once told me they were stronger. This is interesting. - - -- Steve Klement (865) 988-7599 Inayan School of Eskrima - TN. inayan@mindspring.com http://www.inayaneskrima.com >>"He also makes the claim that the proper punch is performed with the last three kunckles of the fist verses the first two as typically used in the Karate-like styles" >Having been taught to punch both ways I have no doubt which I prefer, but let's not start another war... >Mike Koblic, >Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Judo info Forwarding... Ray - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever wonder what a harai-goshi or shime-waza is? Well, you're in luck. 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