From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #292 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 13 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 292 In this issue: Re: eskrima: knuckles and knuckleheads like us eskrima: Re: Vertical punch eskrima: Re: Fist v. Open Hand eskrima: FMA in the SF Bay Area eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #291 [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Murray" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:13:06 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: knuckles and knuckleheads like us > From: Rick Lindquist > The most common fracture I see from striking is the last (5th/pinkie) knuckle > fracture; wins hands down (really bad pun). It's common enough to have it's > own name, "boxer's fracture" Technically it's an "angulated fracture of the > fifth metacarpal head." > > Next most common fracture would be the fourth knuckle (ring finger/4th > metacarpal head). It's much less common but pops up occasionally. I personally > have never seen a fracture of the 2nd or 3rd (index and bird) knuckles from > striking although someone probably has. They are not common. Nope, but they do happen. I broke the index between the knuckle and wrist, near the knuckle, in a tournament. Compound fracture, it had to be wired together. Oddly, the other guy got a simple fracture pinkie side. He won, both the match and the least serious injury. Peace, Dave ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:30:48 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: Vertical punch > From: "Jeff T. Inman" > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:06:54 -0600 (MDT) > Subject: eskrima: Re: vertical punch, etc > Hi folks, > Whatever the advantages may be for one type of punch or another, > my (limited) experience tells me that in the messiness of a real > fight, you're probably going to end up breaking your hand on your > opponent's forehead or his temple if you try to punch him in the > face. I'm with you Jeff; why hit him with your hand when you have a perfectly good elbow? :D jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:41:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Fist v. Open Hand >>There's nothing sissy about a well-delivered "b*tch >>slap", or a sturdy palm heel to the chin. Plus: you >>won't have a broken hand afterwards. Could not agree with you more Jeff! In my book, the chapter on using hands tells about a time I had a parking lot altercation with a guy. My first strike was a punch to his mouth. It knocked him back, but hurt my hand a bit too. Then he got up and stepped toward me again and I hit him with an open hand to the chin that sat him on his butt on the pavement. Later, a buddy who witnessed the ordeal said, "It looked like you slapped him, or hit him with an open hand." I replied, "Yep." You can do a lot of damage with an open hand and it is a lot less hard on the knuckles. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:26:45 EDT Subject: eskrima: FMA in the SF Bay Area About 15? Issues back someone asked about FMA in the San Francisco Bay Area. I don't have the latest contact info but I know some of them are on the Pekiti-Tirsia FMA database. In the city itself you can check out Villabrille-Largusa Kali folks with Guro Manny Dragon. IESA under the direction of Maha Guro Sultan Uddin. Robert Castro, an instructor under and GM Anthony Davis. School of Pilipino Martial Arts of which I am the director and you can contact me at (415) 601-2735. The Doce Pares guys that I knew in the city are on the under or have moved to the suburbs. If you are still interested in pursuing that I recommend training with Guro Reginald Buford in Oakland. It's close (a 30" minute drive) and he's a great instructor. We've had him a guest instructor twice in the last year. Kind Regards, Elrik Gubisch Jundis School of Pilipino Martial Arts ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #291 There is someone on this list that I know spars without gloves or masks, and I am actually waiting for his response to this thread, we have spoke of it briefly before. This whole thread comes back to the question..."How do you know?" You have people that know because so and so told them, but lets stay away from that. Let's ask people that really train this. I'm sure some that have done it a ceartain way will say that they "know" it works that way because they have done it that way. They obviously can't be wrong because they have made it worked. On the other hand, a different person will swear by his way of doing it. Why? Because he "knows" his way works because he has done it. Life is always Yin and Yang, good and evil, hard and soft, vertical and horizontal. I think the way the fist is positioned is by the mechanics of the blow. A boxers is rarely faced straight with his opponent, his body is usually turned at an angle. Is it economical to throw a vertical fist from his centerline. Also, one of the important things abput a jab is not getting it out there(IMO), it is getting it back. I don't know how many guys I've seen throw a fast jab out but get hit on his ear. The boxers cross is more of a punch thrown on a slightly downward trajectory, which body mechanics will turn your wrist downward like a Karate punch. While the straight punch with a vertical fist suits a fighter that is more centerline aware. The vertical punch is also usually thrown at a slightly upward angle. I know for myself, I prefer hammerfists and eyejabs, but my own little specialty punch that I like is with a twist to the punch in the opposite direction of the karate twist. Outward instead of inward. No way as way. BTW, I think there is only one man that can awnser this question. ===== Check out our web page at http://www.fullcontacthi.com for Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii. "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another man should or should not do." Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #292 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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