From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #298 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 17 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 298 In this issue: eskrima: FMA on Vancouver Island eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #296 eskrima: pass the Jack D. eskrima: hand conditioning? eskrima: San Francisco Seminar Series III eskrima: RE: hand conditioning? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:43:52 -0700 Subject: eskrima: FMA on Vancouver Island Are any FMA/JKD clubs in Comox or Campbell River, B.C.? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: David Eke Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:33:51 +1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #296 I'm back!!! Unfortunately I only get to read some of the digests due to work so I don't know whether I've picked up the whole vertical punch thread. I think it started with Demspey. A number of things which I remember hearing about this boxer was:- - - He started out as a bare knuckles fighter when he was moving around Hobo camps before WW1. - - He used an elbow in a fight and knocked someone out. They made elbows illegal very quickly after that. - - He was not a very technical boxer and generally went for the head. My point is, whatever punching style Dempsey had, probably had nothing to do with why he was so good. He was simply very hard and very aggressive. For me I don't use vertical punches because that I don't feel they pack the same force. Now I know people will squeal (1 inch punch..blah.. blah..blah) and that I haven't developed power due to not training enough using it. Its not my point, I don't think it makes much difference what punching style you use just whatever you use make it hard and aggressive. IMO using a fist whatever orientation you use if you hit someone hard enough you are probably going to break something in your hand. Boxers even with wraps and gloves often break their hands in fights. Since learning Muay Thai I don't use hooks and uppercuts (unless to the stomach or solar plexus) nearly as often as they can be replaced by horizontal or rising elbow strikes (they shouldn't even change your balance or ability for combinations) and they protect your hands. However, I still use the jab, straight and cross. These punches I generally aim at the face. In terms of a fight I would chance a broken hand for a full blooded punch to the nose. In my experience a seriously broken nose is generally a fight winner. Its not the damage to the nose that wins the fight but the effect it has on their breathing. With a severely broken nose you can not breathe through it and you have blood running down your throat. One good reason for using a horizontal orientation for a punch is its easier to come over the top of an opponents hand. Try this. Get someone to throw a jab, parry it and use a vertical orientated right cross. Try the same again with a normally orientated right cross. Someone made the comment that you lose power when you raise the elbow, this might be the case but you can not pass over an opponents arm if you don't (not without clearing it anyway) Along the way was another point raised about a well trained Martial Artist can beat a less trained but more aggressive fighter. Now I have heard the same comment all thru my martial arts training but in terms of life experience it just simply doesn't hold true. Thinking about it, nearly all fights I have participated in or witnessed the key ingredient was to winning was aggression. I can only remember one or two incidents of a less aggressive fighter winning (Hollyfield Vs Tyson but I bet I know who would win the streetfight). A case in point was a pub fight I witnessed about 15 years ago. One of the guys I knew and had trained with. He was extremely good with his hands and feet and I thought the fight would be pretty one sided. For the first 10 seconds the guy I knew nailed the guy with some good punches and low roundhouse kicks, however as they closed the other guy got the opportunity to bite the guy that I knew nose nearly off. From that time on no-one has been able to convince me that technical skill is more important than aggression. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:46:12 PDT Subject: eskrima: pass the Jack D. > My point is, whatever punching style Dempsey had, probably had nothing to > do with why he was so good. He was simply very hard and very aggressive. Dempsey felt differently. Yes, he was aggressive as is clearly indicated by his thoughts on teaching defense last. But his point on punching was that a person must learn to throw a proper, or perfect, punch in order to be an effective puncher. Once one learned to throw a proper punch -then- they would start to learn movement and defense. He felt that he had been very thoroughly trained in the basics and that was his edge against many of the bigger stronger meaner heavyweight fighters that he met. > Along the way was another point raised about a well trained Martial Artist > can beat a less trained but more aggressive fighter. Now I have heard the > same comment all thru my martial arts training but in terms of life > experience it just simply doesn't hold true. I've mostly heard the opposite all thru my martial arts training. i.e., regardless of your training, a person's 'attitude' is as or more important. (in other words, I think we agree :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Phil Tong" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:46:08 -0700 Subject: eskrima: hand conditioning? Hi Pat & list: > I heard scare stories a long time ago about guys who had serious hand > problems later on in life associated to heavy makiwara use. Thing is its > like smoking. Some die of lung cancer and some puff away till they die at > 110! Its personal and that way you are genetically made up. Doh, that's one of my vices too. Actually I know plenty of MA'rs that smoke (some the wacky weed still too I don't know why). Are we just adrenaline junkies? I'm going to start looking more closely at the photos of the old timer karate-ka esp. the hands if it will tell me anything. All my teachers are still active in their 60s & 70s, even lead the cardio classes daily, wow. > > Your home equipment idea reminds me of a book I have which the guy - a > doctor based in california - makes home equipment for training. Well worth > the look. Home training its called I think but I'll follow up > next week with > the details of it. > One example is that he rolls up a carpet and makes a false head and works > his chokes etc. I like it! My first BJJ class is in a few weeks (just learned BJJ=Brazilian JiuJitsu, another doh! ;) If those mook dummies weren't so expensive it would be nice to have to practice tapping, etc. Heck, whack it with the eskrima too :) I'm getting hooked now just need to keep drilling to make it natural and learn learn learn. How do you determine the "right" set of sticks for oneself though? ie. length, width, weight Just try them all? Why do some have those metal caps? Does anyone sell the sharpened & fire hardened style or is that a DIY only? This is such an opportunity to learn a "most beautiful" real and effective martial art. I am blown away. Phil > pat > Aberdeen Martial Arts Group > Web site * www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ From: "Phil Tong" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:56:28 -0700 Subject: eskrima: San Francisco Seminar Series III Anyone in SF for this? It will be my first BJJ class :) "Professor Frank R. Ricardo, Ekido Kai Kempo Jujitsu" If any of you were here earlier in the year to witness the amazing demonstration by Professor Frank Ricardo and his students performing their style of Brazilian Jujitsu, then you don't want to miss their triumphant return. Professor Ricardo's unique teaching methods will allow you to quickly understand and utilize self-defense techniques that he used in training the U.S. Army's Special Forces. "Grandmaster Rick Alemany, Kenpo-Jujitsu-Arnis" Well known in the martial arts community, an excellent tournament fighter and a precise pinpoint kata instructor, Grandmaster Rick Alemany has produced over 200 Black Belts. Grandmaster Alemany's vast experience and knowledge in various styles will enhance your learning experience. Don't miss this excellent opportunity to sharpen your martial arts skills. "All Ranks Welcome" Saturday, June 24th, 2000 12 noon - 3pm $40.00 Alemany/Fung Martial Arts and Training Center 1319-20th Avenue (between Irving and Judah) San Francisco, CA 94122 415-665-3848 space limited, register early http://bayarea.citysearch.com/E/V/SFOCA/2002/98/76/ ------------------------------ From: "Phil Tong" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:15:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: hand conditioning? > I'm going to start looking more closely at the photos of the old > timer karate-ka esp. the hands if it will tell me anything. All for example: http://www.lugani.com/Bandalan/ban1.htm my goodness, is that Al Novak giving the hand salute??? I have not seen this man since I was teen! He used to make all the trophies for various tournaments too. Dr. Novak consulted me one time after I withdrew/tko from receiving a nasty front kick right to my cup (!#$%). Ah, the good old tournament days (sigh). anyhows, serious arthritis is evident in this photo and not very unlike my father's own reduced hand grip and range of motion during his last years. Age will get us all eventually? (and stupid me was so excited to work out yesterday I forgot to bring those new gloves!) great weekend all Phil ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 7:15:14 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #298 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.