From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #302 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 21 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 302 In this issue: eskrima: sticks are personal eskrima: Skill vs. aggression Re: eskrima: FMA / IMA in England eskrima: website update eskrima: Dr Gyi Seminar Review eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Tong" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:03:51 -0700 Subject: eskrima: sticks are personal Hi digest: > Are we off to a slow take off here? I know most of you look forward to > having a two to three digest a day in your e-mail box, I know I do. I think it's my fault for opening the stick question again ;-) But have now discovered all the posts back around 4/2000 and going through them. Digest newbies like me go here and start reading back why one should not break into Hot Dog's apartment! http://www.martialartsresource.com/filipino/filframe.htm > I also know that some of you on the digest here in Hawaii are entering > the Solo Baston tournament. Just wondering who and how many out there Good luck and good competition you all! > The FCSH t-shirts are up on the site and we are now taking orders. > SPECIAL, SPECIAL, SPECIAL: No Shipping and Handling Fees for the rest > of June and the month of July. Check it out. IMO(of couse), the > shirts are really nice. Let me know what you think of course. > http://www.fullcontacthi.com under the products section. Cool designs- but I have not BTDT yet :-| but know running a website ain't easy and would like to help you out revenue wise in this small way :) Just hope no one tries to kick my a@@ wearing it, lol Watched some of the BJJ class. It's brutal on the body and I have mixed feelings if I can/should proceed though my heart is more than willing and brain enjoying studying their moves. This is my first show stopper thus far and let me say it's not fun being an old broken warrior just watching the action. I was fidgeting in my seat "that's a WC kick!" "guillotine!" "oh wow he's got the guard... reverse neck crank!" Very UFC like, another tool to count on. Sometimes life just isn't fair. But I'm scrapping back how I can. The conflict continues but now with much more understanding. Thanks for listening here. Phil ps. hi Chris from AMAC if you're out there, pls. email me back pss. Congrats DBMA for the magazine write-up! I got a copy at Barnes & Noble. ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Skill vs. aggression A case in point was a pub fight I witnessed about 15 years ago. One of the guys I knew and had trained with. He was extremely >>>>>>good with his hands and feet and I thought the fight would be pretty one sided. For the first 10 seconds the guy I knew nailed the guy with some good punches and low roundhouse kicks, however as they closed the other guy got the opportunity to bite the guy that I knew nose nearly off. From that time on no-one has been able to convince me that technical skill is more important than aggression.<<<<< Perhaps your perception of your friends technical skill was greater than his ability. Being able to move well in a Dojo or demonstrating your 'abilities' to your friends does not indicate proficiency. I'll put my money on a well trained individual w/ the proper attitude and commitment over any street punk or ultra aggressive bar fool any day. If your friend was not the aggressor, yet was able to throw several combined techniques in a 10 second period, he lacked target/ tool knowledge and the ability to disable an attacker with the first interaction. Possibly this was due to no contact tournament training. Who 'nose'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:24:21 +0100 Subject: Re: eskrima: FMA / IMA in England Look at http://www.home-cov.demon.co.uk/pkes/default.htm, which is for a guy based in Coventry area. Don't know if that's closer or not though. Jon. ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:45:04 -0700 Subject: eskrima: website update Hey all. I just got finished renewing my website. Some new pics in there if you want to see. http://www.cuttingedge.net/~pdgalst/donna.html - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:52:58 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Dr Gyi Seminar Review I had been hearing about Dr. Gyi for the last 20 years and had always wanted to meet him. I finally got my chance this past Saturday at his knife seminar in Manhattan. Knowing something of Dr. Gyi's background (member of the famed Gurkas. Combat veteran of WW II, Korea, Vietnam and several conflicts in between), I came expecting a stone cold killer barking orders at us all day. Instead what I found was a very personable and approachable gentleman who often joked with us during the seminar and called out words of encouragement to students. Like a rich man who doesn't feel the need to dress "rich", I got the feeling that Dr. Gyi felt comfortable letting his background and skills impress us so he could concentrate on teaching. Yes, good technique is good technique no matter who teaches it, (2 + 2 = 4 no matter who gives you this equation) but part of what made this seminar great was learning these techniques from Dr. Gyi. It's like the difference between learning about space flight from a NASA engineer and learning about it from Neal Armstrong himself. When Dr. Gyi tells you a technique works, he gives you several examples where it worked for him in combat. ED members know how rare it is for me to attend someone else's seminar. I will only go if I think the class will be something really special and I was not disappointed here. After a brief lecture covering some of the principles he would teach, Dr. Gyi got right to business. The seminar covered WW II military knife techniques. These techniques had to be taught quickly to soldiers who would soon go into combat, so the material had to be simple and effective and the method of instruction had to ensure that they would retain the techniques under stress. Down through the years I have had some exposure to U.S. military knife techniques from students who were members of different special ops units in Vietnam. Most of it was sentry removal technique that, while effective, would not be a very useful thing to know for most of my students concerned with using a knife for self-defense. While Dr. Gyi's techniques were designed for what could fall under the category of "sentry removal" I was glad to see that they would also be very useful for what we would normally call "knife fighting." You will recall that I asked digest members a few months ago to describe what they would teach to someone who would soon go into combat if they had only a short time to teach them. This course was the answer to that question for one particular unit during WW II. Since Dr. Gyi has extensive combat experience with these techniques and was still teaching this course, one could surmise that this course would be Dr. Gyi's answer to that question as well, at least with a military combat knife (his Kukri technique is a separate seminar). What was not put into the course was just as interesting to me as what was taught. Remember the needs of this training. A short course with a knife, given to soldiers who would also have a lot of other things to learn, who would soon go into combat. The primary goal of the technique was of the sentry removal category, but the technique also had to be effective in a face to face fight. 80% of what Dr. Gyi taught were attacks with the knife and about 20% was defensive footwork. I think if most FMA practitioners just saw still pictures of these techniques and nothing else, they would think "Strong basic techniques, but nothing really that unfamiliar." For me however, it was how Dr. Gyi taught these techniques that stands out in my mind. His method of instruction reminded me of the better combat handgun classes I've attended. There is the technique and then there is the technique of teaching the technique. Looking at the seminar from a teacher's perspective, I concentrated just as much on how Dr. Gyi taught as what he taught. One example of a training method I especially liked was how he used a simple, inexpensive and portable training device to get the new students in the class quickly and accurately delivering full power thrusts in just one session. Getting the amount of improvement I saw among the students in such a short amount of time speaks well of Dr. Gyi's experience as an instructor. When Dr. Gyi found out I was a student of Tuhon Gaje's (the two had met 20 years ago) he very graciously spent 20 minutes during the lunch brake to speak to me about his art. I would like to work with Vincent Giordano and bring Dr. Gyi back to New York for a seminar on his walking stick technique. If Dr. Gyi's schedule permits this, I will post an announcement on the digest. If you get the opportunity to attend any of Dr. Gyi's seminars in the future, I strongly urge you to do so. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:54:05 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #302 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.