From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #307 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 26 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 307 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #306 eskrima: Magazine in Hawaii eskrima: Aggression Iron Mike eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #306 eskrima: New Books? eskrima: Re: Elrich's post eskrima: signature files, keep'em short eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chad Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #306 We have a discussion page/message board up on the site now, not that the digest isn't enough, but.....anyway, my aim with this is to have a place where people can go to and see different opinions so they can come up with their own outlooks. I'd like too see ceartain threads from the digest grow and "archive" there like "full contact or not" or "offensive vs. defensive", and all those other delicious threads that somehow keep seeming to resurface. Also feel free to use the message board as a "training contact list". Just start a topic under your state and put in your name, e-mail, URL, what you are looking for in a training partner, experience, etc. If you go on and someone already has a list in New York, just reply to that thread and put in your info. There is already one up for Hawaii. I don't mind people using this as a way to advertise their web sites, just as long as they write somthing up or start a genuine thread. This site is open for all as long as we stay combat/martial arts/ militant/self-defense related. No spamming, no porno, no BS. The site is back up, BTW. I like that idea of gtting together, maybe the guys in Hawaii would be interested in doing somthing similar? Or maybe a "Gathering in Paradise"? ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii: Videos, pictures, articles, and T-shirts online "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another should or should not do." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "hec" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:48:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Magazine in Hawaii This is for anyone from Hawaii. You can find the Filipino Martial Arts magazine in the local martial arts stores. I've placed them in the following stores: I&I Sports in Kailua KC Martial Arts - China Town and Aiea Hawaii Martial Arts Supplies - China Town The magazine is published by Eliot Shea & Halford Jones. The quality is pretty good. Hopefully, well see some articles pertaining to Hawaii. John Lau www.hawaii-eskrima.com P.S. I've also linked up to Steven Drape website (KBS System), the articles on there are well written and give you something to think about. Go to the links on our site. ------------------------------ From: David.Eke@cathedral.qld.edu.au Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:41:13 +1000 Subject: eskrima: Aggression Iron Mike > In my fourth year of studying Eskrima I found myself in a situation defending > my best friend from a rear attack. Before I could think, I found myself > running to intervene. Before any of us knew what was happening (myself,the > attacker, or my best friend) I had jumped up behind the assailant pulled him > down by the neck while kicking him behind one of his knees. The attacker(now > defender) was spun 180 Degrees and now I was between my friend and the > attacker. The attackers was now laid out in a carotid choke with all his > weight supported by my arm around his neck. > > The above sequence probably took all of seven seconds. Five of which > consisted of mentally switching to action mode and running to intervene.It > was at a concert in Golden Gate Park and Ziggy Marley was playing. My friend > was about 25 yards away when I saw the attacker heading towards him at a > quick pace. As soon as I made contact, the person was spun, down, and heading > towards unconsciousness. The next thing I remember is my friend whispering in > my ear saying, "I think you're going to kill him let him go," Good case in point. I suggest what you did didn't actually take much skill (this is not a critisism) but it was implemented with aggression. I spent a number of years perfecting successive jumping kicks with alternate feet (Twio yion chagi). The technique needs timing, speed and balance for it to look good, however I have never used it in a fight (and don't advise it). Low round house kicks can be taught relatively quickly not needing anywhere near the same timing or balance as twio yion chagi. Yes, you need power and timing but with simple kicks its not that hard. Choking someone out (I would have left him totally unconscious) is also not particularly difficult to learn. Police learn simple effective holds (and chokes )during training. My point is this, simple effective technique delivered with aggression is generally a winner. Iron Mike is another good example. From watching his latest fight he's got aggression to spare. Not the standard run of the mill "I want to win" aggression but the full on "junk yard dog" type. 10 years ago he always impressed me with how hard he was to hit. Before he went inside I feel his skill level peaked, after he got out he just wasn't the same. No doubt he was extremely aggressive but he didn't appear to be able to cause enough damage with his punches. When he bit Holyfield it was pretty clear that Holyfield was going to win anyway. Holyfield's boxing technique was more aggessive and it won out against Tyson's pure aggression. IMO Tysons got the potential to win another title, his skill level is down but his punches appear to have the old bite back in them. He just appears more hungry (no pun intended) then when he went up against Holyfield. ------------------------------ From: Jon Spencer Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #306 Hi everyone, I'm still kind of new to the list, but just though I'd pass it on...I found some very cool video clips(actully good web site) at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/5640/. It is a compile of alot of different web sites. I also found one good web site, with hardcore sparring videos, and Bill Mcgrath has a nice video also. Thanks for this Inayan Digest List. Kali, Eskrima, Arnis Filipino Martial Arts Swords, Sticks, Empty Hands Filipino Culture Awareness ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: New Books? Has anyone heard about a new book from Mark Wiley, "Filipino Martial Arts" supposed to be coming out soon? What about a book that Ben Largusa was supposed to be writing? ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting in Hawaii: Videos, pictures, articles, and T-shirts online "What one man would or would not do, does not mean another should or should not do." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Bikendova" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:52:50 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Elrich's post A most excellent post by Elrich. Some comments/questions: "In my fourth year of studying Eskrima I found myself in a situation defending my best friend from a rear attack. Before I could think, I found myself running to intervene. Before any of us knew what was happening (myself, the attacker, or my best friend) I had jumped up behind the assailant pulled him down by the neck while kicking him behind one of his knees. The attacker (now defender) was spun 180 Degrees and now I was between my friend and the attacker. The attackers was now laid out in a carotid choke with all his weight supported by my arm around his neck." Basically nothing but praise for the means and the end here. "A few facts about the situation: 1. That was my first street fight since starting martial arts eight years before and my first fight since my teenage years. 2. I used a technique that had never been taught to me." 1. is good, "never fight for free" (Gene LeBell, and, probably many other intelligent people). 2. is interesting and potentially problematic. That the choke worked even though you hadn't "learned" it is a testament to the effectiveness of the technique. But, applied improperly (ask come LEOs), a choke can be injurious and even fatal. You were fortunate that things went smoothly, but, potentially, you could have faced serious criminal charges. Also, and I admit a grappling bias here, why do people often not learn to grapple. We have all heard about multiple attackers and knives, and these are valid considerations, but the fact of the matter is Elrich's confrontation was much more "typical" of what happens out there (Okay, Doc Fung and Animal will say not in some L.A. 'hood, but that is not a "typical" neighborhood, is it?). The fact is, knifing and eye gouging are as dangerous to you as your opponent--unless you like being some 300lb. murderer's girlfriend for a decade or so. Would I do it if my life depended on it? Yes, of course. But we all need other options. Nukes aren't brought out early in war scenarios. "3. The guy was taller than me by about 4" inches and out weighed me by at least 30 lbs. 4. The point of contact to me subduing my opponent took all of 2 seconds (He was already thrashing about and I held him till he was out. Here is where competence as a way of being comes into play. I was able to act without thought, without emotion, without any clue as to how I was going to accomplish my intent: stop the attack. In retrospect I was proud of the fact that it was over so quickly and that I didn't throw a single blow." Kudos again. But, again, you were lucky he was not seriously injured. He was tall, heavy, and thrashing--if you had been on his trachea the situation could have gone very bad. It sounds like he had yet to throw a blow at your friend--what would you have told the prosecuting attorney? Mind reading is not admissable in a court of law. And, again, all strikers should ask themselves if they could have done as well as Elrich by punching and kicking a guy this much bigger than they. Even with a stick it would be difficult to get a big, mean guy out that quickly and cleanly. Please think about this before saying something like "I don't go to the ground." or "I'd just stab him with my Emerson." etc. I cross train. I believe the FMA are excellent. But, in my experience, they often provide better solutions to life-threatening situations than to the, for most of us, more common inconveniences. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 6:57:32 PDT Subject: eskrima: signature files, keep'em short Folks, just a reminder to please keep those signature files short. A signature file is the tag at the end of each of your msgs that includes your name, address, etc. A maximum of five or six lines is recommended so as to not bombard folks with constant 'ads' or other such info. (Note my two line sig below.) Thanks. 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